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Demon 408

Demon 408

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Alright all you picture whores, here's my 408 with the Quick Time Bell Housing and TTI headers. Everything fits well on the motor, the next step is to set up the clutch and then drop it into the engine bay. I'll let you know how it all lines up once I have it in in the car.

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Car Information: 1972 Dodge Demon; 408 Small Block; 73’ K-Frame and spool mounts; Torsion bars .920" diameter; Mini Starter, and Kevco 6 Quart oil pan.

Quick Time Bell Housing for Small Block Mopar with 4-Speed (Part # 6072)

TTI Headers Ceramic Coated with Thermal Barrier (Part # TTI340A-C4)

Parts from Brewer’s: BSB482 bell housing ball stud bracket; TS238 Torque Shaft; FP848 Clutch Fork Pivot; CF106R Clutch Fork; AR078 Clutch Adjusting Rod and a Torque Shaft Service Kit.

The original ball stud bracket and clutch fork pivot bracket included in the Quick Time bell housing did not fit my application so I had to fabricate and/or modify the following parts to make the Quick Time Bell Housing fit: Fabricated a bracket for the ball stud bracket to mount to the bell housing (see pictures). Drilled new mounting holes in the clutch fork pivot to move the clutch fork in line toward centerline of crankshaft (see pictures). I cut two small slots near the crank shaft opening in the motor plate to fit over the oil pan lip.

I had to fabricate and/or modify the following parts to make the TTI Headers fit: Grind a flat spot in the Idler Arm so it wouldn’t hit header on passenger side; Grind a small amount off of the Z-bar and bend it slightly toward the engine so it wouldn’t hit the driver’s side header. Headers are still very close to Z-bar and the driver side torsion bar (see pictures).

The ball stud mounting bracket that I fabricated helped with the install of the TTI headers because I aligned the Z-bar and ball stud before I drilled the holes to mount the ball stud. I also added nylon bushings to the Z-bar where the clutch rods attach (see pictures).

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Nice work. To bad a 700$ set of headers took so much work to get in and don't fit very well. I can't wait to put mine in. NOT! LOL
 
Burntorange70 said:
Nice work. To bad a 700$ set of headers took so much work to get in and don't fit very well. I can't wait to put mine in. NOT! LOL
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I guess it depends on your definition of "very well". I agree that $700 is a lot for a set of headers, but the overall gain in fit and function of the TTIs out weighs the bad.
 
I had the same problem with my quicktime bell to. I made a bracket very simular to yours but I went with 4 bolts, 2 on top 2 on bottom, the ear on the bell for the starter would flex and bind the clutch linkage, I also welded a brase from the ear back to the bell to stop the flexing and I had to make a 3/8 spacer to put under the clutch fork bracket to get the right through with my early A fork bracket.
 
Very very good car crafting work there. My kind of guy. "It doesn't fit perfect.... that's OK, I'll make something for it!"
Good freakin job.
 
I just looked at your pics again and notest that your bell has a cone welded in for the starter nose. Mine had just the ear and nothing to protect the nose of the starter. I email the owner and told him about the flex and he said he would look into it, must be he found a problem too and fixed it.
 
Nice work(modes)!Also the pics. are great and will be handy for other members doing the same with a 4 speed.I also had to make a bracket for my z-bar(lakewood bell though)I didn,t know about quicktime til after purchase!Arrgh!!Your work looks very clean and precise!Thumbs up!!=P~
 
Burntorange70 said:
Nice work...
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rumblefish360 said:
Very very good car crafting work there. My kind of guy. "It doesn't fit perfect.... that's OK, I'll make something for it!"
Good freakin job.
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pettybludart said:
Nice work(modes)!Also the pics. are great and will be handy for other members doing the same with a 4 speed...Your work looks very clean and precise!Thumbs up!!=P~
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Thanks guys. This is what this forum is all about, helping each other with projects and providing our own lessons learned.
 
19DART66 said:
I had the same problem with my quicktime bell to. I made a bracket very simular to yours but I went with 4 bolts, 2 on top 2 on bottom, the ear on the bell for the starter would flex and bind the clutch linkage, I also welded a brase from the ear back to the bell to stop the flexing and I had to make a 3/8 spacer to put under the clutch fork bracket to get the right through with my early A fork bracket.
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The flexing is a problem with this bell housing that's why I went with the 1/4 inch thick steel bracket. With my Center Force Dual Friction diaphragm style clutch I do not have any flex.

19DART66 said:
I just looked at your pics again and notest that your bell has a cone welded in for the starter nose. Mine had just the ear and nothing to protect the nose of the starter.
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The cover is a part that Quick Time sells; RM-6070-SC 460 Small Block Mopar Starter Pocket Cover, it's powder coated thin Steel and bolts on through starter bolts.
 
I have TTI headers and the Quicktime bell. I dont believe it is the Headers. What is causing this issue is the Pivot Bracket for the Z Bar on the Bell Housing side. YES the Z Bar linkage gets close to the headers but I did not have to bend the Z Bar to get everything to clear...........Maybe it is because mine is a 70 Dart?? Possible!
 
Very professional looking work. Excellent photo's and notes. Thank you for sharing your experience with everyone.
 
Since this thread is already brought back does anyone know if you need a mini starter with a torqeflite 727? Do Dougs need a mini starter too?
 
purplehazenils said:
Since this thread is already brought back does anyone know if you need a mini starter with a torqeflite 727? Do Dougs need a mini starter too?
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It is hard enough trying to snake in a Mini Starter. I could not imagine trying to put the stock style starter in with Dougs or TTI's.........
 
19DART66 said:
I had the same problem with my quicktime bell to. I made a bracket very simular to yours but I went with 4 bolts, 2 on top 2 on bottom, the ear on the bell for the starter would flex and bind the clutch linkage, I also welded a brase from the ear back to the bell to stop the flexing and I had to make a 3/8 spacer to put under the clutch fork bracket to get the right through with my early A fork bracket.
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Reviving this thread...Do you have any pics of your bracket as well?

I wonder if Quicktime fixed this issue after all these years? I bought this bellhousing near the time this thread started, now I'm ready to use it, but if there is now a new revised bell, I'd rather go with that...
 
Looks like a small change was made. Here is my bracket:

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And here is the new one, wonder if that small change made a difference...?

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The new bracket looks to be stronger in the area where mine flexed (older bracket). I just looked at the Web site and they don't list the new bracket as a separate item for sale. Show them this thread, maybe you can shame them into sending you the new bracket for free.
 
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