thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!! After seeing all those things, it makes since ... Yeah I can see how die hards(most folks here) could be touchy on those subjects... and heck.. I combined 2 of them in one post... but heck... tell me honestly and bluntly... they dont hafta be so dam mean and attack my character sheessshhh... I guess when I spoke of 2 riled up items at once made it even worse to the point they felt like I had just physically slapped them in the face.... you help me better understand thanks a bunch for that.... greatly appreciated