Question about windshield washer on 65

I have a 65 Dart GT. There originally was a windshield washer bottle and I think a pump motor, now all gone. My question is how was the pump activated, the wiper knob? And where would I get a pump? One more, all I can find are bottles/reservoirs for a manual washer. Help? Here's a pic of my knob.

As far as I know, there were only two methods to make the washers squirt fluid. One was the wiper button (which is what I have on my 66 Valiant). I twist the knob to operate the wipers, and push it in to get the fluid to work. The other method was a foot pump pedal, off to the left of the brake/clutch pedals (near where the floor-mounted high beam switch would be). It is a manual thing, you squash it and it pumps the fluid.

VanceC said:

I have a 65 Dart GT. There originally was a windshield washer bottle and I think a pump motor, now all gone. My question is how was the pump activated, the wiper knob? And where would I get a pump? One more, all I can find are bottles/reservoirs for a manual washer. Help? Here's a pic of my knob.

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HINT:
If the knob pushes in someone probably changed it to the electric style pump.
If it doesn't push in it's a manual pump system and requires the foot pump on the floor.

My 64 Val has the washer "bag" and the manual pump on the floor. This was before the plastic reservoir. The transition to plastic was right about that era.

My 69 cuda has the manual pump but the wiper switch still has the push button feature but of course it doesn't do anything. Easier to only have one switch on the assembly line.

VanceC said:

And where would I get a pump? One more, all I can find are bottles/reservoirs for a manual washer. Help? Here's a pic of my knob.

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The pump used in your 65 mounts below the washer bottle (which happens to be the same for both the foot operated and electrical pump) on the shock tower and is gravity fed from the washer bottle. As others have mentioned the pump is turned on by depressing the wiper switch. There is a brown wire connected to one of the terminals on the wiper switch, routed through the bulkhead connector and on to the pump.

Where to find the pump? I've pulled at least 9 or 10 from cars I've parted out and of that many, One might be completely useable - pump works and both input and output nipples are good. All are cosmetically bad looking. Mostly it's the pump that's bad. Once in awhile a NOS Mopar one will turn up on eBay for an ungodly amount of money that I can't afford. Someone on another site said check out the repro washer pumps used on mid-60s Mustangs. They looked identical to the Mopar pumps! So I bought one (all of $29.95). There are some minor differences - the ground strap is mounted a bit differently, the pump base mounting holes are spaced a bit differently and of course being a Ford authorized reproduction, has a Ford part number stamped in the base on the bottom where you gotta turn it over to see it. I don't think my Dart wagon is gonna care if the washer pump has a Ford part number on it as long as it works. The pump electrical connector is the same as is the input nipple from the bottle as is the output nipple to the hose going to the nozzels. I'll see about posting some side by side pics in a bit.

Ok, thank you. So is there a difference between the bottle for an electric pump and the one for a manual pump?

VanceC said:

Ok, thank you. So is there a difference between the bottle for an electric pump and the one for a manual pump?

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Bottles are the same. Here are some side by side pics and ones showing the pump differences.

The Mopar pump on the left Ford on the right:



The ground strap on the Mopar unit on the bottom


The Ford unit ground strap on top

The spacing differences:



The Ford numbers on the bottom:



The Mopar writing and part number on the bottom

This Mopar pump is one of the few that is complete with no broken nipples and the pump works, akthough it is very noisy.

Great info, thank you. I bought a pump on Ebay. Now I need to find someone selling the nozzles for a 65. Haven't seen them since the car was painted.

I’ll look and see if I have any.

65 Dartman said:

Bottles are the same. Here are some side by side pics and ones showing the pump differences.

The Mopar pump on the left Ford on the right:

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The ground strap on the Mopar unit on the bottom
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The Ford unit ground strap on topView attachment 1715231253

The spacing differences:

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The Ford numbers on the bottom:

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The Mopar writing and part number on the bottomView attachment 1715231256

This Mopar pump is one of the few that is complete with no broken nipples and the pump works, akthough it is very noisy.

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hmm.... my replacement part (65 mustang pump) had the above ground but the spacing was exactly the same as the mopar pump. I bought mine at a swap meet new and put it on that night. it was direct fit but I really don't like the top ground so I'll probably gut the thing and put it in the original mopar housing.

65 Dartman said:

I’ll look and see if I have any.

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I found one including the hose which, based on the hose length, was installed on the passenger side.


I “might” have a pair of nozzles that have been restored with the correct cad finish, but will have to look fo them. They would look like these which are for my 65 Dart wagon

65 Dartman said:

I found one including the hose which, based on the hose length, was installed on the passenger side.

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I “might” have a pair of nozzles that have been restored with the correct cad finish, but will have to look fo them. They would look like these which are for my 65 Dart wagon
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I found a pair so I'm all set. Thanks

Very Good!