Believe me, the bolts were never gone go in.... I tried every possible position and even tried flipping flex plates over, just for ***** and giggles. The bolt pattern was an 1/8 inch too big. I don't understand how that can happen but it did. Read my first post: I had 3 flex plates and 3 converters and they all bolt up in every combination, except for if I tried to bolt anything up to the new converter. Either way, it can never hurt to have a second opinion, or in this case, a second converter.