Too cold to start car

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I'm guessing most of us don't drive our cars much during the winter months, but occasionally I like to take mine out on a sunny day even if it's only 25 outside. Problem is, I just can't get my car to start when it's this cold. I tried for 20min yesterday before killing the battery and my jump box. Didn't try any starter fluid, didn't have any on hand. When it was warmer out, I don't have any issues. Yea I know, welcome to the world of carburetors.

So, I was just wondering if there's anything I can do to make my car a little easier to start when temps drop below freezing. Ok, I mean "reasonable" things, I don't want to put on an EFI system. I will mention that my carb has no choke. I bought a kit from holley but ended up having to replace the main body on the carb which the new one (from craigslist) turned out to be slightly different and the arm to the choke doesn't fit right.

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'73 Duster 440, DB electric mini starter, msd coil.
 
I'm guessing most of us don't drive our cars much during the winter months, but occasionally I like to take mine out on a sunny day even if it's only 25 outside. Problem is, I just can't get my car to start when it's this cold. I tried for 20min yesterday before killing the battery and my jump box. Didn't try any starter fluid, didn't have any on hand. When it was warmer out, I don't have any issues. Yea I know, welcome to the world of carburetors.

So, I was just wondering if there's anything I can do to make my car a little easier to start when temps drop below freezing. Ok, I mean "reasonable" things, I don't want to put on an EFI system. I will mention that my carb has no choke. I bought a kit from holley but ended up having to replace the main body on the carb which the new one (from craigslist) turned out to be slightly different and the arm to the choke doesn't fit right.

Extra info:
'73 Duster 440, DB electric mini starter, msd coil.
What weight oil are you using?
You will need a lighter weight oil in cold ambient temps. Like 10W-30
 
25* F is not particularly cold for starting an engine.
A lot of hot rods don't have an operating choke. But without it, you have to compensate with your foot. Give it extra pump shots until its got enough fuel and as soon as it fires, feather it to keep going and then hold the throttle cracked open enough so it will idle fast. Then after a minute or two, slow the idle (with your foot). Until its warmed up, you'll have to keep your right foot on the throttle and use your left for (both clutch and) brake.

If you give it too many pump shots and it 'floods', remove the air cleaner lid and let it partially evaporate.
Or. Push the throttle to the floor and hold it there while cranking, until it clears.

Use your nose and eyes to determine the condition and reasons its not starting.
 
Do the things mentioned above with the addition of ether . You must have a FULLY charged battery and I suggest heating the oil with an oil pan heater like the ones used on diesels
 
Choke.
Because pouring gas in the top of the carb is dangerous. And starting fluid is not a good way to start a dry engine.
Starting fluid is just bad.

Wd-40 works great though.
 
I fired up my bucket yesterday only like 28 outside. Take alittle bit cause it sits for a couple months at a time. Took it for a ride to town and back.It runs good when cold out..
 
25* F is not particularly cold for starting an engine.
A lot of hot rods don't have an operating choke. But without it, you have to compensate with your foot. Give it extra pump shots until its got enough fuel and as soon as it fires, feather it to keep going and then hold the throttle cracked open enough so it will idle fast. Then after a minute or two, slow the idle (with your foot). Until its warmed up, you'll have to keep your right foot on the throttle and use your left for (both clutch and) brake.

If you give it too many pump shots and it 'floods', remove the air cleaner lid and let it partially evaporate.
Or. Push the throttle to the floor and hold it there while cranking, until it clears.

Use your nose and eyes to determine the condition and reasons its not starting.
This , yep my truck is with out a choke and this is what I have to do
 
Choke.
Because pouring gas in the top of the carb is dangerous. And starting fluid is not a good way to start a dry engine.
Starting fluid is just bad.

Wd-40 works great though.

Not anymore I don't remember what was in it that made it work as a starting fluid but they removed that probably 20 + years ago we used it on small motors ( lawn mowers etc) all the time because it also would lubricate the cylinders
 
Back in the 80’s my daily driver was a 65 Dart GT convertible with a slant, headers and a Clifford 4 barrel with an Edlebrock with no choke. Pump the pedal twice and started she did. Work the gas a couple of minutes and off we went. Yes, temps get pretty chilly here in VA - 19 this morning! This Dart Was my daily from 83 to 89 when I went to a 69 Charger for a daily.
 
I'm guessing most of us don't drive our cars much during the winter months, but occasionally I like to take mine out on a sunny day even if it's only 25 outside. Problem is, I just can't get my car to start when it's this cold. I tried for 20min yesterday before killing the battery and my jump box. Didn't try any starter fluid, didn't have any on hand. When it was warmer out, I don't have any issues. Yea I know, welcome to the world of carburetors.

So, I was just wondering if there's anything I can do to make my car a little easier to start when temps drop below freezing. Ok, I mean "reasonable" things, I don't want to put on an EFI system. I will mention that my carb has no choke. I bought a kit from holley but ended up having to replace the main body on the carb which the new one (from craigslist) turned out to be slightly different and the arm to the choke doesn't fit right.

Extra info:
'73 Duster 440, DB electric mini starter, msd coil.

Get an electric choke and hook it up properly...
 
Hey guys, don't beat yourself up too bad finding a solution here. The op went offline 9 min. after starting this thread.
 
I'm still here, but I'm at work. I know a choke would help but didn't think it'd be that big of a headache without it.

Btw, Oil is 20w50
 
I've driven non choked carbs down to the point of the carb freezing.
5-20 full synthetic oil and freeze your *** off while the car warms up...
 
I know a choke would help but didn't think it'd be that big of a headache without it.

It still should start. A big problem is the gas today, it tends to evaporate, even though it's sealed inside the bowls.

My car has no choke, but will fire with the pump, pump, crank, pump, pump crank feather the throttle till it warms up method.

What made mine work better is a small electric fuel pump back by the gas tank. I turn it on to get fuel up to the mechanical pump then shut it off.

The gas today will flat out disappear, a couple years ago I poured just a bit in a cap from a spray bomb and left it sit about 24 hours. It was during the summer when it was hot and humid, I checked it the next day and the cap was bone dry. Water wouldn't have evaporated that fast.
 
I'm still here, but I'm at work. I know a choke would help but didn't think it'd be that big of a headache without it.

Btw, Oil is 20w50

There you are. This is my take on your issue, It would be like asking why you car won't crank but you don't have a battery. Get the choke fixed then come see us. 20/50 oil isn't an issue as long as the engine cranks over fast enough.
 
I've driven non choked carbs down to the point of the carb freezing.
5-20 full synthetic oil and freeze your *** off while the car warms up...

I got one of those little electric heaters and set it in the front floor to warm the interior up before I go out to start the car.:D
As a matter of fact I have to go out this morning and it is warming up the inside right now.
It defrosts all the windows at the same time.
 
The MSD likes it's voltage, so you gotta start with a fully charged battery, and a warm one works best.

Starting my 360 without a choke takes a bit of a technique.
I keep a small sealed bottle of stabilized 87E10-winter gas on hand which seems to be a little more volatile than other gas. And I add 2-cycle oil to it at about 5%.
To start;
I splash about a half ounce down each primary of my AirGap 2plane intake. And I pour an ounce or so into the front bowl thru the vent with a tiny funnel; this just to ensure the bowl has at least some fuel in it. If you have an electric pump, you can use that if your gas is fresh. You should be having reasonably fresh,non-oxygenated, stabilized,winter fuel in the tank.Then I look down the primaries and stroke the throttle until I see the accelerator pump is primed and working.With liquid fuel now in the intake, I let it sit for a couple of minutes to evaporate some of the VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) and fill the intake with something that will actually burn.
Then I crack the throttle just a hair and hit the key. The idea is to let some air into the intake, that will draw the VOCs into the cylinders with it, to begin the burning. During the first 3 to 5 seconds she will pull those in and start random firing. That is your cue to start pumping the gas pedal. If you have a double pumper, try not to get the secondaries involved. It's really hard to flood my no-choke Holley 360 cuber with the small pump,so I just give her pumps; about 1 per second for up to 10 pumps. If at any time she stops firing, you have managed it (to flood her) tho, so stop pumping. The idea is to only open the throttle far enough to activate the accelerator pump (about 1/4 throttle to keep the transfer system alive) and you control the AFR with the amount of minimum but not closed, throttle opening.
When she catches be prepared to immediately open the throttle further, but not so far as to open the secondaries.Only far enough to keep the transfers alive, and maybe the mains dribbling; I've never actually watched.. While you do this, the engine will begin to draw in that puddled fuel from the intake, in addition to what is coming from the normal circuits. So it will immediately rev up (I target 2000by ear, but don't worry about the actual number.) And in about 3 seconds it will go lean, having burned all that fuel up. Be ready for it, and when the Rs begin to fall, start pumping again, but try not to let the butterflies close all the way between pumps, you are still trying to prevent a stall, which may require you to start all over, from the beginning. After about 30 seconds of this crap, she will start running easier and you can gradually reduce the rpm and the pumping.
Now here are a few tips;
>getting this system right for your combo may take some practice; embrace it,lol.
>that cold engine really likes a ton of timing. I give mine about 10extra degrees during cold start, and it ain't too much. This totals 24 with my 14Initial.
>The 2-cycle oil that I mixed in helps to replace that which will be washed off during the very rich starting procedure.
> I run 10W30 full time. Because I have a hi-volume pump, I fear with thicker oil, that pump will empty the pan at 25F, cuz it it won't get back from the top fast enough. I had this problem before with 15W40. So I installed a 7 qt pan, and installed some drainback channels in my Eddies. I lost a couple of 340s when the pumps started sucking air. Yes a couple. I was a slow learner.
>If it doesn't begin firing in the first 3 to 5 seconds, it likely ain't gonna run;the VOCS from the fuel in the intake are all gone, and the rings may be dry. Start over. If it does it two or three times in a row; I recommend to pull the plugs and squirt some oil into every hole, reinstall the plugs;. then crank it a few revolutions to move the oil around, then let it sit for an hour, while the oil wicks itself all around the cylinders. Then you get to start over.
>If it fires right away, runs, and then stops; it has burned up all the VOCS, so either the in-tank fuel is dead or it never made it to the carb yet, start over. If it does the same thing again, and your accelerator pump is primed, then you can bet the fuel is dead, and you better quit before you fill the oilpan with gas.
>IMO, this winter starting without a choke is really really hard on the engine, and I never do it anymore. But I might go out once a month and crank it over a half a revolution, to put a different pair of pistons near TDC and so a different set of springs under pressure. I used to do it by hand but I'm gettin' too old for that crap,lol.
>As to your current situation, your oil is probably all washed off the cylinder walls by now, and your cylinder pressure is very low;so you will need to pull the plugs and oil the rings up as previously mentioned.
> With the advent of EFI and sealed fuel systems, the gas companies have reformulated the fuels for that, leaving us carburator and vented tank guys with fuel that gets harder and harder to initiate a burn. With the vented tanks, the VOCs escape within a week, and even in summer, the engine gets cranky after a week of sitting. Two week old fuel is already bad. Up here Shell is fighting it with adding stabilizers before dispensing, and that is helping. My engine is set up to burn 87E10, and the alcohol in the fuel helps starting in summer,but as the temps fall, no more help. Towards the end of the season I add additional stabilizer.
>25F is about-4C I think, and my 360 starts pretty easy at that temp, with the above described method...... but at 68*F she has about 185psi cranking cylinder pressure, so this may have something to do with it,lol.
So, I just gottasay;your results may vary.
and
best of luck to you.
 
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My dart was my daily driver for 10? Years. You should have seen the looks I would get pulling up to the pump in a blizzard. I even got pulled over a few times with the cop telling me it was unsafe to be driving " a car like this in these conditions"...

Frickin *** hats, what did people do in the 70s? They drove the car they had...
 
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