The future

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Do you live under a rock? These cars with Bluetooth and heated seats that are coming out right now would make a joke out of a big block dart. Chrysler is putting out 4 different models with over 700 hp. I can buy a Jeep with 707 hp and a warranty. There is Cadillac running around Cincinnati that is knocking on the door of 1000 hp.
No I live in an apartment and know how to read. The original post asked about the future not the present. As far as comparing a 69 Dart to a new Challenger is stupid. You might as well compare a 340 Dart against a 1919 Dodge. Which one is faster, has better turning/braking, comfortable to drive and maintain? Yes today hot rods are plenty and it's great to see it flowing strong. But it won't last and that's what I see for the future. Do you think in 20-30 years someone is going to pull a rusty beat up Challenger SRT out on a junkyard and restore it? By then a newer car will be a ton faster and probably full electric. Will fuel still be available? Will tree huggers get hot rods off the roads? So maybe I misspoke , I didn't mean it's dying now but it will in the future.
 
Our car hobby is forever changing. Now that I am 63, I can state from experience some of the change I've seen. When I was a young in the teens there use to be a large Model A motor head following. They were the age I am now and older. As they aged and died off so did the Model A Ford cult. Sure there are still the Model A collectors and followers, but it has dwindled down. As the baby boomers start dying off, so will the muscle car era. Not totally, but much less than it is now.
 
No I live in an apartment and know how to read. The original post asked about the future not the present. As far as comparing a 69 Dart to a new Challenger is stupid. You might as well compare a 340 Dart against a 1919 Dodge. Which one is faster, has better turning/braking, comfortable to drive and maintain? Yes today hot rods are plenty and it's great to see it flowing strong. But it won't last and that's what I see for the future. Do you think in 20-30 years someone is going to pull a rusty beat up Challenger SRT out on a junkyard and restore it? By then a newer car will be a ton faster and probably full electric. Will fuel still be available? Will tree huggers get hot rods off the roads? So maybe I misspoke , I didn't mean it's dying now but it will in the future.

In 20-30 years I absolutely believe you will be seeing hellcats and demons doing for stupid numbers on whatever auction is around. Gasoline will still be around but we may have more electric cars.
 
In 20-30 years I absolutely believe you will be seeing hellcats and demons doing for stupid numbers on whatever auction is around. Gasoline will still be around but we may have more electric cars.
Maybe. One never knows what the market will be like and what cars will be pulling big money. Lot of people tried this with cars from 25 years ago and it's not working. Super clean and low mileage cars from that time can't even sell for the original sticker price. As stated before the hobby is always changing and I don't see this trend lasting. Just look at cars shows. In the early 90s they were huge now the numbers aren't what they were. Yes still pulling in people but no where near 20 years ago.
 
No I live in an apartment and know how to read. The original post asked about the future not the present. As far as comparing a 69 Dart to a new Challenger is stupid. You might as well compare a 340 Dart against a 1919 Dodge. Which one is faster, has better turning/braking, comfortable to drive and maintain? Yes today hot rods are plenty and it's great to see it flowing strong. But it won't last and that's what I see for the future. Do you think in 20-30 years someone is going to pull a rusty beat up Challenger SRT out on a junkyard and restore it? By then a newer car will be a ton faster and probably full electric. Will fuel still be available? Will tree huggers get hot rods off the roads? So maybe I misspoke , I didn't mean it's dying now but it will in the future.
I think you are wrong. I was pulling em outta the weeds when they were 15-20 years old, because i wanted a 68 charger. i built it up when it was 15 years old. And later on a 69 charger i pulled out from under a pine tree when it was 20 years old. Yes theres always going to be people that have the money to buy hot iron brand new, then theres the guys who wished they could have been old enough to buy it new "back in the day".

I was born in 1968, but wished i could have lived that era as a young man. All the hot new factory muscle cars you could buy. There will be kids that are just small frys or even still babies that will gravitate towards these new muscle cars because they want something from the past. Feel the stuff from today has better lines than the stuff that will be new 20-30 years from now, i know i did.

And yes there may end up being faster stuff 20-30 years from now than whats new now, but then you will likely see restored modern muscle, and likely as their values climb for the rare ones. The V6 base models and hemi R/T base models will likely get resto modded with new drivetrains out of wrecked "new hot iron 20-30 years from now", kinda like people putting hell kitty engines in dusters now. The hobby will live on, it will get stronger, it will change, but it will still be there.
 
I also had a 1988 Chrysler lebaron, they are starting to look good again now days, some may be restoring them.
Shelby Lancer, or Lebaron GTS 4 door hatchbacks were cool. Gotta be a turbo 5 speed. That stuff is all gone now. I dont see any of it anymore in my local salvage yard. Theres 1 or 2 daytonas, and a shadow ES turbo convertible. I have 2 TDs left. An 87 chrysler lebaron turbo coupe with full digital glass cockpit and message center with talking car feature, and my 88 shelby Z T top turbo ll car. They developed a following for awhile as cheap to buy, and easy to make fast. The second coming of the muscle car along with cheaper gas just killed em off.
 
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I still lust after a 1957 Chrysler 300 convertible. I want black, with red interior, and kelsey hayes wire wheels. Its a dream in my mind, i know that car is out of my price range, and will likely always be. This is a car that was built 11 years before i was born. You cant say i am the only one my age thats like this, ditto goes for the new crop of car nuts. I bet plenty of em would love to own older muscle like what we have and enhoy, but for a young persons budget, its cost prohibitive.
 
Everything evolves, and runs in cycles. Look at the big auctions. Few pe war cars selling, and it takes a special ne to bring bigger bucks. The demographis change. Look at the Porche, the somewhat later models that a few years ago were jst ued cars, are starting to climb because not every one in that crowd an afford the really collectable one.
Everyone wants to keep their youth as they get older. Buy that car they used to have, never had, get that young wife that makes them feel like they are "her" ago, and now they can afford her and her "costs"!... The stangs, challengers, camaros of today will be bought by people 15-20 years from now!!
One year the old mopars are hot, the next they are not, maybe sorta like how the stock market works for those people with $$!????
Compare our car hobby to the horse. OK so bear with me. Cave man figured how he could actually ride him and save shoe leather, get from here to way yoner, fight the enemy, then sed him to plow the field and make food, then the auto and tractor came along back in late 1800's ( NO I was alive then!). We go from millions of horses and mules to wayyyyyy not so many. Then the people got better cars and make more $ at their job, and the movie invents the story of the cowboy, and boom the horse is now mostly a recreation deal. The dude ranch is invented the horse becomes a toy for most, a luxury.
Horse competitions, races grow by leap and bonds, the horse has become a business,and some worth a lot of money! They are affordable for many. Still a necessity for the rancher in many states though. Fast forward to today. The breed associations are crying, not as man being bred, their revenue is suffering, some competitions are down.
The modern kid that is not ranch raised , lives in the burbs with parents that lived in the burbs, and further back. Mom does not want to spend the $$$ it takes for the kid that thinks she is horse crazy. So they do all the teams sports, and buy them all the video toys. Wayyy cheaper.
Old cars are cheap projects to buy, and expensive to restore or even get safely on the highway. Easier for mom the buy the kid a somewhat modern driver, than the family to get into the hobby of building the kid a car!! Yes mom should be part of the equation IF the kid gets an old car and become part four hobby!!
Cycles, the horse deal today, is rebounding again. All part of the "cycle"....
 
I agree that parents should get involved in their kids interests. I am into the old car hobby, and my son loves cars as well. This is a big plus over a kid who is wanting to fix up an old car, but has no adults in their life that share the interest that can mentor them. Thank God for youtube, and the net, including Fabo and other car related sites to help the teenagers and 20 somethings getting started. Remember none of us were born with this information and abilities. We all learned what we know either by a mentor who helped, as well as reading, and doing.

My wife and i discussed the fact that the barracuda that my son and i will be rebuilding will likely be 60 years old when he starts driving. Sure its going to be safe to drive, but valuable, and not something you would leave in a parking lot. We both agreed to look for a little 10 year old shitbox with working A/C for him to get to school and work that can be left in a parking lot, and his cuda will reside in the garage so he can enjoy it when he wants to and not have to worry about it.

But yes it is cyclic. Maybe one day the value will drop on that 1957 300 vert i want, and i can buy one as my last hurrah. One coild only hope.
 
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Back the 80'ss, 90's I drug home many and rebuilt more than a few. I had about 3 " kids" that were early 20's, not bad mechanics either, that loved to "help". I would give them something to do, and they always wanted to trade work for parts. I had lots of parts! I lived out in the sticks so I was not just down the block.
They were good guys, loved the old cars, and we had fun. If I had a dozen of them, would have been great.
 
Maybe. One never knows what the market will be like and what cars will be pulling big money. Lot of people tried this with cars from 25 years ago and it's not working. Super clean and low mileage cars from that time can't even sell for the original sticker price. As stated before the hobby is always changing and I don't see this trend lasting. Just look at cars shows. In the early 90s they were huge now the numbers aren't what they were. Yes still pulling in people but no where near 20 years ago.

We are now getting more into consumer psychology which I am not really qualified to speak on. I can tell you that in the past I have said that the reason the muscle cars of the 60s are so sought after today is because the older guys now have the money to buy what they wanted as young men. The cars were also ground breaking because the idea of a “muscle car” was completely new. Today’s cars are indeed replicating something from the past so they have that against them. However many of the young kids today dream of owning a hellcat, a demon, a Shelby, or a ZL1. So when they are older they will likely want the cars they dreamed about as kids. For the longest time I would have agreed with you and said these cars will
Not be big money cars is 30 or 40 years but now that the horsepower wars are fully underway I might disagree.
 
Everything evolves, and runs in cycles. Look at the big auctions. Few pe war cars selling, and it takes a special ne to bring bigger bucks. The demographis change. Look at the Porche, the somewhat later models that a few years ago were jst ued cars, are starting to climb because not every one in that crowd an afford the really collectable one.
Everyone wants to keep their youth as they get older. Buy that car they used to have, never had, get that young wife that makes them feel like they are "her" ago, and now they can afford her and her "costs"!... The stangs, challengers, camaros of today will be bought by people 15-20 years from now!!
One year the old mopars are hot, the next they are not, maybe sorta like how the stock market works for those people with $$!????
Compare our car hobby to the horse. OK so bear with me. Cave man figured how he could actually ride him and save shoe leather, get from here to way yoner, fight the enemy, then sed him to plow the field and make food, then the auto and tractor came along back in late 1800's ( NO I was alive then!). We go from millions of horses and mules to wayyyyyy not so many. Then the people got better cars and make more $ at their job, and the movie invents the story of the cowboy, and boom the horse is now mostly a recreation deal. The dude ranch is invented the horse becomes a toy for most, a luxury.
Horse competitions, races grow by leap and bonds, the horse has become a business,and some worth a lot of money! They are affordable for many. Still a necessity for the rancher in many states though. Fast forward to today. The breed associations are crying, not as man being bred, their revenue is suffering, some competitions are down.
The modern kid that is not ranch raised , lives in the burbs with parents that lived in the burbs, and further back. Mom does not want to spend the $$$ it takes for the kid that thinks she is horse crazy. So they do all the teams sports, and buy them all the video toys. Wayyy cheaper.
Old cars are cheap projects to buy, and expensive to restore or even get safely on the highway. Easier for mom the buy the kid a somewhat modern driver, than the family to get into the hobby of building the kid a car!! Yes mom should be part of the equation IF the kid gets an old car and become part four hobby!!
Cycles, the horse deal today, is rebounding again. All part of the "cycle"....
So true, the motorcycles have gone through another cycle again and has now died down somewhat. There were all the shows on TV, West coast choppers, American choppers and such. Now cars are a bigger thing again but as each cycle comes around the old die off and the new take over and its never the same again. Hard to predict what the next fad will be. I'm happy to have lived in the muscle car era.
 
Our car hobby is forever changing. Now that I am 63, I can state from experience some of the change I've seen. When I was a young in the teens there use to be a large Model A motor head following. They were the age I am now and older. As they aged and died off so did the Model A Ford cult. Sure there are still the Model A collectors and followers, but it has dwindled down. As the baby boomers start dying off, so will the muscle car era. Not totally, but much less than it is now.
Yep, so true...so true.
 
I think you are wrong. I was pulling em outta the weeds when they were 15-20 years old, because i wanted a 68 charger. i built it up when it was 15 years old. And later on a 69 charger i pulled out from under a pine tree when it was 20 years old. Yes theres always going to be people that have the money to buy hot iron brand new, then theres the guys who wished they could have been old enough to buy it new "back in the day".

I was born in 1968, but wished i could have lived that era as a young man. All the hot new factory muscle cars you could buy. There will be kids that are just small frys or even still babies that will gravitate towards these new muscle cars because they want something from the past. Feel the stuff from today has better lines than the stuff that will be new 20-30 years from now, i know i did.

And yes there may end up being faster stuff 20-30 years from now than whats new now, but then you will likely see restored modern muscle, and likely as their values climb for the rare ones. The V6 base models and hemi R/T base models will likely get resto modded with new drivetrains out of wrecked "new hot iron 20-30 years from now", kinda like people putting hell kitty engines in dusters now. The hobby will live on, it will get stronger, it will change, but it will still be there.
I hope you still have your chargers and didn't get rid of them like I did.
 
We are now getting more into consumer psychology which I am not really qualified to speak on. I can tell you that in the past I have said that the reason the muscle cars of the 60s are so sought after today is because the older guys now have the money to buy what they wanted as young men. The cars were also ground breaking because the idea of a “muscle car” was completely new. Today’s cars are indeed replicating something from the past so they have that against them. However many of the young kids today dream of owning a hellcat, a demon, a Shelby, or a ZL1. So when they are older they will likely want the cars they dreamed about as kids. For the longest time I would have agreed with you and said these cars will
Not be big money cars is 30 or 40 years but now that the horsepower wars are fully underway I might disagree.
I see your point and can agree. I'm turning 50 soon so hopefully ilI' be around in 20-30 years to see how things turn out. Like all things in this country , money and time will be the answer. It's been proven that a new costs up 3x in parts compared to the window sticker. I think rich people have hurt this hobby more than anything.
 
Our car hobby is forever changing. Now that I am 63, I can state from experience some of the change I've seen. When I was a young in the teens there use to be a large Model A motor head following. They were the age I am now and older. As they aged and died off so did the Model A Ford cult. Sure there are still the Model A collectors and followers, but it has dwindled down. As the baby boomers start dying off, so will the muscle car era. Not totally, but much less than it is now.
So does this mean that i may be possibly able to snag another 68-70 Dodge Charger for a reasonable price before i take a dirt nap ?
 
Nope sold em both. One in 1987, the other in 1995. Got back into the muscle car hobby in 2009 after dabbling pretty hard with turbo dodges (TDs). Wanted another 68 charger 383. Wasnt about to pay $3500 - $4k for a gutted shell with a vin and title that was somebody elses picked over parts car. I looked into A bodies. Had a 68 fastback 318 automatic in granny green w granny green interior as a daily driver in the 80s. Figured why not get another. The rest is history. Now i have 2 of em needing restoration, plus my shelby z.
 
Nope sold em both. One in 1987, the other in 1995
I sold my last two in 1995, a 68 and a 69. At the time a lot of people made fun of them,said they were big boats and such and their popularity was down. Then the new Dukes of hazard movie came out and Dom drove the 70 in the fast and furious and everybody wanted one. I guess its just a good example of the cycles. I always thought I could just buy me another one but prices are out of reach for me now. I kick my butt every day now, if only I'd seen the future.
 
I'd say we may be able to snag another before our dirt nap but we will be racing our wheelchairs in the nursing home by then.:(
 
My wheelchair is gonna have raised white letters on it, and performance stickers on it. I hated those FnF movies, and dukes of hazzard movies. Both wrecked way too many of em at a time when they getting harder to find. Back when warner brothers was doing the TV show they were 15 year old cars. Morphed into an icon.

Theres a guy who restores chargers that has a youtube video where he makes Crown Vic cop cars into general lee jump car chargers with repop sheetmetal panels. Says an original charger even a rusted to **** one can now be restored with all the repop panels, the crown vics use same bolt pattern as a charger and similar wheelbase and track width that they are the perfect jump car, most people wouldent know the difference anyways.
 
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May be a good time to invest in some cool wheelchairs, the future is coming.:rofl:
 
Ibet the next bodies synacorn repops will be 68-70 charger. Then you can build a 1-1 scale model kit
 
Nope sold em both. One in 1987, the other in 1995. Got back into the muscle car hobby in 2009 after dabbling pretty hard with turbo dodges (TDs). Wanted another 68 charger 383. Wasnt about to pay $3500 - $4k for a gutted shell with a vin and title that was somebody elses picked over parts car. I looked into A bodies. Had a 68 fastback 318 automatic in granny green w granny green interior as a daily driver in the 80s. Figured why not get another. The rest is history. Now i have 2 of em needing restoration, plus my shelby z.
I agree I used to buy complete runners, bees for $1000-1500(mid 90's) and I could fully restore one and have $7500 in it, (with my labor) inc. fresh eng/trans, everything, and you know what, I would barely get that $7500 back out of it!! Then they go up, an the decent projects were gone and that shell like you said, were $3-5000. No, today a runner shell still costs $4-5000 and not wore fooling with!! Or like he said a rolling 68-70 charger costs $8000!!!!!! But a pro restoed one will cost $40-50000. YEA... Dudes of Hazzard! lol
Yep wealthy people tend to run with their own kind, and all they really do I drive up the ask price of all the lower cars us bottom feeders play with!! BJ prices keeps all the dopers and idiots in never never land on these old cars they find.
So the wanna be rich buy the rare most desirable cars, the real rich buy the rare Porche, Lamborgini, Beemers, and us poor hobbiest buy what we can afford, fix, and usually drive!!! Ah the hobby!!!!!
Lke he said the prices of old collectable cyles does jst like the rst of the auto collectable world, they go and they go down, just like Wall Street!!
 
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