HELP! New Motor rear main seal Leaks

Does the upper seal come out easily with the crank bolted up but the main cap off?
I really appreciate all the feedback. I live in an HOA and they don't like me at all. Maybe if I drove a Cheby.

You can carefully tap the top seal out/around enough to pull it out. Mine was in there a loooong time and took a bit of tapping to get it out. No need to loosen the cap.

Pat