Welder recommendations

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Looking to get a new or newer at least welder. I know I want something gas shielded, or at least my son who is much more of a welder than I am said we need. For many years we have just used a harbor freight welder. We borrowed a buddies bad boy to put in the roll cage, that's when it became clear we needed to upgrade sooner than later. I want to be able to weld sheetmetal up to frames or steel beam. Am I needing more than one welder for this? Planning to get a decent torch as well. Would like to add a midgrade plasma possibly, but want to start at first with a torch and welder first. Any recommendations? Nothing 3 phase, my shop is a 200 amp service.
 
Miller, Miller or maybe a Miller!

I'm a fan of Millers.

I have a 110 that does a good job up to 1/4 steel. It is capable of aluminum also but I have not used it!

Just $0.02 from an old fat guy!
 
I was thinking Miller as well. There's an industrial welding supply in town here. I'm definitely going to pick their brains, and quite possibly purchase from them.
 
Be sure to consider parts availability also...

If you are not a very experienced welder the new Millers have a GREAT feature that self adjusts!
 
The Miller 211 is probably the best all around machine for automotive/homeowner work. I personally wouldn't waste money on a plasma cutter. A band saw, sawzall, or whiz wheel can accomplish the same thing, and do so much more precisely than a plasma cutter. To use a plasma cutter properly actually takes way more trigger time than the average homeowner can put in. Whatever time it saves you in cutting will be lost in dressing up those cuts.
 
That's good advice on the plasma cutter. Thank you. My son is way more experienced at welding than I am. I taught him the basics and he took several semesters of welding in tech. That said, he is a young busy guy in a serious relationship that keeps him hopping. So I end up doing most of the welding on the home projects for myself and my other son. So I will definitely check out the miller 211. I definitely like the thought of auto adjust.
 
That's good advice on the plasma cutter. Thank you. My son is way more experienced at welding than I am. I taught him the basics and he took several semesters of welding in tech. That said, he is a young busy guy in a serious relationship that keeps him hopping. So I end up doing most of the welding on the home projects for myself and my other son. So I will definitely check out the miller 211. I definitely like the thought of auto adjust.
Plasma cutters are a great tool. Miller vs. Lincoln is the same old conversation. Being an experienced mig welder, I find the auto adjust slows me down in a production environment. I do like the smoother start up and versatility of the inverter machines. I hope they hold up as well as a good old fashioned transformer.
 
Can't beat a Miller. I have an older Hobart that is made by Miller, and it still works great. A friend has a Miller (211 I think) that is amazing.
 
I wonder if the welding supply gives demonstrations of there machines. I'd like to try a few before I put down the cash. $1279.00 seems to be an average advertised price for one new. With some in the 15/1600 range.
 
I got the Hobart 210 for I think 680$ shipped. Acme tools had a 150$ off $750 coupon. I couldn’t be happier with it. I’ve done virtually everything on my 67 notch with it.
 
Miller is the go i am a welding machine repairer , A lot of new Lincoln machines are made in China & their Italian made range is not much better.
The Miller plasma while reliable but does not give a very clean cut.
The Thermal dynamics Pak 25 (If you can still get them) cuts like a knife around 30 to 40 thou cut when used with a surface contact tip.
 
I have a longevity plasma cutter. Huge disappointment.
Hypertherm 40 amp will do anything you could ever imagine.
In the right hands,it will make very neat, precise cuts with little clean up.

Miller welders? You bet. Great machines.
Used a 252 for a few years, loved it.
 
I wonder if the welding supply gives demonstrations of there machines. I'd like to try a few before I put down the cash. $1279.00 seems to be an average advertised price for one new. With some in the 15/1600 range.
Take some sheet metal and some 1/4" plate with to try if you get to test one so you can really work it in different conditions. The biggest thing you will have in going from sheet metal is the amperage range difference; doing heavy plate work may stretch the amperage of a small unit that is good for sheet metal, and vice versa. You really want fine amperage control around the work level you are doing IMHO to adjust for conditions and metals, and the cheap ones don't seem to have good amperage control near the ends of their ranges. The comment on auto adjust seems appropriate; I have it on an inverter TiG and don't use it. (But that may be me...)

I'd gear my selection towards the small end of the range for sheet metal and frame work. You can always pick up a cheap used buzz-box stick welder for heavy trailer frame stuff.

If you get that oxy torch, make sure to also buy the welding tips in a few sizes. Useful for heating things (like freeing stuck parts or normalizing MiG welded joints in chrome moly tubing) and if you really get into it, then it is a good step in rod and puddle control if you ever move to TiG. (I've done all my cages with oxy-acet.)

Just curious as to the type of steel tubing you are using: ERW, DOM or ?? Most of those are found in mild steel, but if you have chrome-moly by any chance, that takes special treatment.
 
If you do your homework, you can get a Miller sister brand and get the same Miller without the expensive blue paint.

I bought a Hobart and saw the EXACT same model in a Miller for $300 more three weeks later.
 
We just weld mild steels and sheetmetal for the most part. Definitely no chromoly yet.
 
Dollar for dollar how does a Hobart compare to a miller? Other than the fine amperage control, which is important I think for a guy that doesn't weld daily. Do you think that the cheaper Hobart is better for my needs or just step up and spend the cash on the miller? I am leaning towards the miller as I hope to start using the machine more often as I learn more with it. I think like nm9stheham said, take my own metal pieces to try out the machines if the welding supply gives demonstrations of the machines.
 
One thing I would like to clear up is the Miller vs Hobart debate. While they are owned by the same company they are not the same welder. While the case styling, ect may be similar, the stuff that matters is not. Typically the Hobarts use cheaper liners, guns, drive/roller assemblies, solonoids, and of course power supplies. This is not to say that Hobarts are junk(in fact they're very good), but you're getting much more than blue paint for the price increase. The tapped vs variable power supply and soft start alone makes a huge difference if you like messing with aluminum, stainless, and joining different thickness metals. With a tapped power supply you can use gun orientation and speed to bridge the gap between settings, but that requires more skill than the average homeowner possesses.

My comments about plasma cutters before are based on a few things. Before American Chopper, Monster Garage, ect 99.99% of the population had never even heard of a plasma cutter. The average person who hasn't used one thinks it's a magic wand that can cut anything perfectly like a water jet on TV. Even after you understand the kerf, dross, stand off, power settings, air flow, and cut in/out angles, and work speed......it's still a pain in the ***. By the time you roll out the machine, set it up, build a cut guide/fence, ect you could've done it faster and cleaner with a different tool. I have plasma on my trucks, in my shop, and at my house. The only time it gets used is for heavy material where a saw would take too long.

I just see an awful lot of plasma cutters in a corner covered in dust because the buyer thought it was gonna be a magic wand/water jet. They're not.
 
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I cant argue any of that with getting a plasma cutter. My son has experience with them from the classes he took. Maybe I could hold off on a plasma and just get more torch set up. I could rough cut maybe with a torch on thicker metals and clean up the cut with a vice and large grinder. I definitely want to also get a much better metal band saw. I am going to have to really give the Miller a serious look over, I know any day of the week a Hobart is a stand up machine. Would probably feel like a gift from God compared to my chicago unit from harbor freight. I have gotten so frustrated with the one I have now from h.f, as its non variable, the wire runs on after you let off the trigger, welds dont burn in. I am going to scrap it as soon as I get a new better machine. I am looking to get a new big badass compressor with plumbed in rigid air line through my entire shop. I am finally able to finish my shop, so I just want to do it right the first time through. At least as much as budget allows. Lol. I am going to go to the welding supply store this week and get an in person education, and probably overwhelmed by all the things I didn't know I was needing or missing out on.
 
I am going to have to really give the Miller a serious look over, I know any day of the week a Hobart is a stand up machine. Would probably feel like a gift from God compared to my chicago unit from harbor freight.
I think we'll all agree that you will believe you died and went to heaven with a Miller or Hobart LOL!

As for the oxy to cut things, that is what I do and have a big bench grinder on a pedestal to finish things off, or a big electric right angle grinder. But is IS sloooow going to do the finish edging. (Never had a plasma cutter so can't pass judgement there.) I use air powered shears and nibblers for light sheet metal so your air compressor will be your friend there, as well as an air cutoff and grinding tool.

With a tapped power supply you can use gun orientation and speed to bridge the gap between settings, but that requires more skill than the average homeowner possesses.
And that is the key to have good variability in settings.... if you don't use one regularly, the tricks/experience like that are not in your repertoire.

If it has not been said, spend a few minutes reading up on the different gas mixes and when they are used.
 
If you do go with a new machine just remember that it all has to be right to see the benefits. The right gas, the right (clean) wire, ect, and a good work/ground clamp. The clamps that come with any machine are junk. Buy a good one.

If you're going to hard pipe air then put in a dryer/dessicant unit. You'll need it for painting and plasma requires dry air too.

If you go with Miller look for rebates like the "build with blue" promos.
 
Yeah, I definitely need to be educated on the different gases for shielding. I know from my buddy that's a fabrication guy, gases are not cheap and depending on how you are using the machine different gases are better than others. And then I've heard you can use mixtures of them?
 
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