SB Cam Thrust Plate P5249637 no longer made? Only tensioner now?

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Yes I was told that the single idler type do not make any noise.
Now those dual idler type make lots of noise lol.
Duane, the reason the duel idler gear set makes noise is because it's going to look like this in a few more minutes. Good thing you can't find a set for a Mopar!
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Yeah, I'm familiar with the "wide bodies" so that sure is a good fin delete! I didnt know they were W2 specific. Good stuff.
 
Yes... as someone famously said on this site "No cares as much about your [stuff] as you do." And I'll add: "It's less complicated when you screw up yourself".
All very true. My local machinist who did the line hone on my block
Did not get the size to my satisfaction(too big) he was not happy when during the mockup I discovered the bearing clearances were too loose. I brought the block back to have him do it again and he gave me some grief.
I said too him, would you not rather me bring it back now and fix it rather than me come back here after a bearing failure and fight about who,s fault it is. He redid it, I assembled it and now it's on me.
 
Duane, you got me on the oil pump drag direction! My high school engineering degree failed me when I took a second look at the cut and direction of the teeth: drive side against a resitance (oil pump) will force cam forward. Now the way the cam is retained onto the thrust plate still does not negate a torrington bearing in any manner. The cam cannot go forward due to thrust plate. The cam cannot go backwards due to cam gear on opposite side of thrust plate (thickness .1xx) with the camshafts relief step setting the initial clearance (.1xx +y) so you have a Delta of y which I'm understanding is the thrust tolerance? The Milodon uses a machined thrust plate dimension and with the addition of the torrington bearing, may not use the stock cam step to set thrust tolerance (?). It has to use a positive pressure on the torrington bearing creating no thrust variance. The cam has no forward/backward movement from any force that will relieve pressure on the torrington bearing. Interestingly, the Milodon 13600 instructions do not have a cam bolt torque. Is the Milodon machined thrust thickness the same as the Mopar stock piece? Damn, its on the block and I cant measure it! You would think they would have shims available to adjust this spec.
Trying to think how the torrington bearing would chew anything with its 2 hardened races on each side of the rollers unless someone forgot the races?
<<EDIT>> the torrington roller bearing cage has a slight cup to it, maybe that is the only positive force on it if it uses the OEM thrust spec?
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The milodon thrust plate is way thicker than stock because it has to accommodate the idler bearing and gear.
I do not dislike that the Torrington bearing is there, it's better than just rubbing on a plate. I am just saying that it is not functioning as the primary thrust surface. In my previous post I was saying that the camshaft side beats up the plate, not the bearing side.
If milodon manufactured cam shafts, they could made the cam with the ability to accommodate another bearing on the primary thrust side, but they do not.
Still a great piece of equipment though. Clearances always need to be checked and adjusted somehow if required. I added the oil trough to the back of the milodon because they get beat up on the cam side rubbing on the plate.
 
The first motor He decked my block to 890 without telling me. My diamond pistons were not there. because he couldn't use my rods due to the pin being to big to keep it under the cut deck.To use the SB CHevy rods he had Offset grind another crank. Where did My 4 " Callies go or my Carrillo Bullet rods The intake was only about 1/8 inch thick. from him cutting it.

The worst was he charged me $450 to CNC fly cut the pistons. This is where he became liable. The motor came apart on startup after some dyno pulls. Come to find out the valves were hitting the pistons.

I drove out to Port Matilda. Pa. He was not there . But his brother was. There was a sprint motor there that came apart the same way and destroyed the car. Talking to his brother led to to fly cut method they used.

He stated this in front of two machinist I took with me.
They had a long stem file cutter they ran though my Guides and cut the pistons in the motor using my heads as their tool. They cracked most of the guide out of the heads. I asked his brother how this could work because the piston would rock. He said They do it after assembly. I could not believe my ears. I didn't know if I should laugh or cry.

I took the parts he got me. New crank , Rods, pistons. T&D Rockers that were terrible. Indy heads in which the quality was Real bad. They must have been returns. Here is a picture of the first X-block batten headed motor in the car. It was a 428 Made 593@7200

I sold the X-Block I got from them. Ray Barton gave me the resto block in with a deal for a couple 68 Darts and Barracdas over a Pizza. Then I started over. I Could have bought a Hemi for the total cost of a small block build.

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Really not sure how to respond to this post. I have had Ryan do work for me. Seems to do very nice work.
Not to pick sides but this sounds like one of those stories where Ryan would have a different answer as to what went wrong.
Sounds to me like there were communication issues as to what the build plan was and there were mismatched parts that could not be used together.
Regardless you have a motor that was run without verfification by whoever assembled the motor that there was sufficient piston to valve clearance.
I have in the past had Pistons flycut for clearance and the machinist and I got into trouble and ruined a set of Pistons in the process.
We guessed on the location and guessed wrong. On the replacement Pistons we put a modified valve stem ground to a point down the valve guide to mark the location of the cut.
 
Really not sure how to respond to this post. I have had Ryan do work for me. Seems to do very nice work.
Not to pick sides but this sounds like one of those stories where Ryan would have a different answer as to what went wrong.
Sounds to me like there were communication issues as to what the build plan was and there were mismatched parts that could not be used together.

There was no communication issues I was going there the whole time. He is a down right liar..

I took him a set of batten heads . He put 2 guides and exhaust valves in for $1000 . His house garage was clean and he said he had a machine shop . I was struck by the motor parts there. So I brought him a 956 deck X-block. The batten heads he just did. Callies bullit 4" crank. Scat h-beam rods and Diamond Pistons...

I specifically told him . Only clean the block surface to square.
He took it upon himself to deck the block so he said. He made this block 890 and never told me. He lied..

I was there the one time and asked him why my crank sitting in the block looked dull. He told me it was the lighting. In fact it was not my crank but one he had ground for Chevy rods to try and fit a set of pistons in with the 890 deck block. That was not mine.

Now I didn't know any of this until I took the motor back to him after he put a pan on it filled with metal from another motor to send it home with me.. The oil pump surface on the rear main was hit so hard the pump didn't sit flush. The oil pan rail was JB welded together.

There was Sander marks on the piston tops where he tried to hide his fly cut mess. I questioned it and he said he does that for fuel burn. It was one bullshit story after another. I told him to finish the motor and he should take it to a dyno. I'll pay .

There can be no misunderstanding when I brought the pistons and rods and crank with me and I didn't ever see them again.

The receipt said CNC fly cut the pistons, Using a file on a stem through my heads are not CNC cut. His brother gave us a demonstration on how it was done. Proving to us that the diameter of the cutters were bigger than the valves. Then he realized he shouldn't have showed us that. We looked at my heads and most of the guides were busted out of the aluminum.

I did feel bad for him after I saw what he was using for a mill. So I gave him that series I bridgeport he has. He was using a Harbor frieght bench top drill press mounted on 3 cement blocks. We delivered it when he was building his run room. He did not even know how to use the mill we had to show him. I knew I was in trouble then. But I never thought he would steal and lie . He had to replace my block it was shot and he new he was caught. Guess what I got back. My original X block.

all I can say is Anyone that trust him is in for a big surprise. He built one hell of a motor for his coronet.with everyone's parts.

My son was 16 when we took the motor there. He is now 34. He spent all his money and some of mine on what Ryan stole. One day they will cross paths, Ryan is in for a big surprise. Steve's not a little boy anymore. And now he is a engine builder so he knows first hand how Ryan lied to us.

Ryans Brother was pretty cool . He threw his brother Ryan under the bus. This all took place on Ryans brothers property. He didn't want to be involved. He told us the whole story on what Ryan did and all the lies.
He didn't only do this to me . He had some legal problems with the sprint car motor owner.

So when you think you know and trust someone . You don't really know what they are capable of. Carma will get Ryan.

Now you know some of it. There are pages more and tons of pictures and Receipts. I kept every paper and made him sign them all every time I left there.

One thing did come out of those trips. I bought all seven 340 Duster and Darts sitting on Route 80 near Danville.
 
Oldmanmopar, who's valve covers are those?
Mopar performance reverse flange with the fins milled off. They did not fit with baffles over T&D rockers On the Indy heads I bought a fabricated set with no holes . Had my son weld 1/4 inch flanges on them that Bruce lazor cut. The thin flanges are not strong enough. You can see things are tight. I had to fit the push rods to the new flanges. Not much flange left. The way they were they did not seal.

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Information is always good to ponder over. Gathering up info for future reference is good. I had a warning and I didn't listen.
 
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