PST steering boxes

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I do have the pst 16.1 box in mine, steering is heavy but is very stable on high speeds and I like the direct response and feel. Its not for everyone , parking is a bit tricky but all I do is move the car while turning the wheel rather from a dead stop.
 
How would you compare it to the "stock feel" of the stock Dart box (20:1 I think). Sounds like it's a choice of heavy or sluggish with this box?
 
Comparing the 2 Std is lighter more turn of the wheel to complete a turn and as you stated sluggish feel where as the 16.1 has a more direct positive feel which I like its a bit heavy but that's a trade off unless you go power. I don't mind the heavy side of it but everyone's different. I run the PST 103 bars aswell and all my bushes are poly type as I do like a firm ride.
 
the stock box is 24 to 1 pst is working on a 20 to 1 box now , i hope they will be out by july but its hard to get an accurate time from them .
 
67 gt said:
Comparing the 2 Std is lighter more turn of the wheel to complete a turn and as you stated sluggish feel where as the 16.1 has a more direct positive feel which I like its a bit heavy but that's a trade off unless you go power. I don't mind the heavy side of it but everyone's different. I run the PST 103 bars aswell and all my bushes are poly type as I do like a firm ride.
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Thanks for the info - I think overall I would prefer the 16:1, I don't like a "wander/ loose" feel on the hiway and I think I can live with the parking. I assume this is a "direct swap" and not a pile of swearing because it doesn't quite fit like the stock one!? :)
 
I bought the 16:1 manual box, and did not check it as closely as I should have before putting it in the car. The unit was set up so tight It required two hands to get it off of center once off center not too bad. I needed to Clearance about a 32nd of an inch off of the casting to clear the headers. When I called pst they said if you adjust the unit you void the warranty. If you modify the unit you void the warranty. NO Iwould NOT buy from pst again.
 
Swingn’71 said:
I bought the 16:1 manual box, and did not check it as closely as I should have before putting it in the car. The unit was set up so tight It required two hands to get it off of center once off center not too bad. I needed to Clearance about a 32nd of an inch off of the casting to clear the headers. When I called pst they said if you adjust the unit you void the warranty. If you modify the unit you void the warranty. NO Iwould NOT buy from pst again.
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What headers?

I can understand them voiding the warranty for grinding on the box. You modify it, you own it.

Voiding the warranty for an adjustment seems kinda lame, especially if it wasn’t adjusted properly to begin with. But looking at it from their side, if you adjust it incorrectly it will cause abnormal wear. So I see where they have a point. I suppose the right way to do it would have been to inspect it first, that way you could have sent it back when you discovered it wasn’t adjusted correctly as shipped.
 
Mine bolted up perfectly, before locking up pitman arm nut tested end to end got the centre rechecked front wheel positioning beautiful. No header interference with steering box possible to Schumacher mounts which are taller.
 
Both our manual steering boxes whether it be the 24:1 or 16:1 externally are the same box. It is based of OE size and dimensions. If you are running stock manifolds you will have no issue with installation. If you are running aftermarket headers than clearance could be an issue. Most will dimple a header for clearance. Modifying the box would void the warranty and that applies to pretty much all vendors I know of on any part.

Thanks
James From
PST Marketing
 
72bluNblu said:
What headers?

I can understand them voiding the warranty for grinding on the box. You modify it, you own it.

Voiding the warranty for an adjustment seems kinda lame, especially if it wasn’t adjusted properly to begin with. But looking at it from their side, if you adjust it incorrectly it will cause abnormal wear. So I see where they have a point. I suppose the right way to do it would have been to inspect it first, that way you could have sent it back when you discovered it wasn’t adjusted correctly as shipped.
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Yep, should have looked closer before install. But if you put one wrench to tha adjustments they say voids all warranty. This was completely septrate from the casting clearance issue.
 
swinger1969 said:
Thanks for the info - I think overall I would prefer the 16:1, I don't like a "wander/ loose" feel on the hiway and I think I can live with the parking. I assume this is a "direct swap" and not a pile of swearing because it doesn't quite fit like the stock one!? :)
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A correctly adjusted box and some positive caster will give you nice highway manners.
 
10-4 on that Toolman, the only reason I contacted pst was when I noticed how tight the box was set up. They wanted me to send it back to them so they could send me another unit. I don’t think they do anything in house at all. Honestly they would have had to look very close to see the beveled edge, had I not told them about it. Having rebuilt a couple some years ago adjusting did not concern me,it was more on there end I guess..Thanks for the input..Mark.
 
Swingn’71 said:
10-4 on that Toolman, the only reason I contacted pst was when I noticed how tight the box was set up. They wanted me to send it back to them so they could send me another unit. I don’t think they do anything in house at all. Honestly they would have had to look very close to see the beveled edge, had I not told them about it. Having rebuilt a couple some years ago adjusting did not concern me,it was more on there end I guess..Thanks for the input..Mark.
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I wound up ordering the 16:1 box so I hope there's no problems like that with it! Living in Canada the aftermarket people don't seem to get it that when they say " just send it back to us and we'll fix it" it's a LOT of hassles and expense to do that, especially to the US. That's why more and more guys are keeping orders above the border. I have Doug's headers on mine and it looks like enough clearance around the stock box, so hopefully no problems!
 
i ordered a 16:1 for my 65 it all but dropped into place itself. I would say its a direct fit with my 340 and dougs headers no PS. I am very happy with it. I can understand if you grind or alter any part they arent going to return it thats just understood. with these old cars it either fits or it doesnt so you either return it or more than not you have to alter it but after altering you cant bash a company because they wont return it. Headers are the same way you have to alter them to make them fit a dent here a dent there. You woudnt take them out after that and expect to return them after you did that.
 
The modification was on me with out a doubt..The improper set up was not, I did not expect to return the unit. I also did not expect to be told properly adjusting the unit was not allowed either..
 
Swingn’71 said:
The modification was on me with out a doubt..The improper set up was not, I did not expect to return the unit. I also did not expect to be told properly adjusting the unit was not allowed either..
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Were you able to get the box loosened up a bit? I put the 16:1 on my car and it's a bear to get off center. Like I'm turning against an extra 400 lbs hanging on the wheels. And thats with the front wheels in the air.
 
subcom said:
Were you able to get the box loosened up a bit? I put the 16:1 on my car and it's a bear to get off center. Like I'm turning against an extra 400 lbs hanging on the wheels. And thats with the front wheels in the air.
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both of my dusters are getting a 20:1 a 24:1 is to soggy and a 16:1 is to tight and the 20:1 is just right . I drove a car last summer with 20:1 and could not believe the difference . weather P.S.T. will deliver or not is unknown but there are other companys that supply them . I would like to buy from a site supporter if possible .
 
Swingn’71 said:
Yep, should have looked closer before install. But if you put one wrench to tha adjustments they say voids all warranty. This was completely septrate from the casting clearance issue.
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You are more that welcome to adjust the box, but any cutting or modifying of the box would void the warranty. The adjustment is there for that reason and adjusting can be necessary over time as with any steering box. If that was not made clear by our customer service than I apologize if there was a misunderstanding in that respect.

If there is an issue with a product we do have our in house machine shop and rebuilding service go through the item to verify if there was an issue. We do make some of our products and others we work with trusted manufacturers to make them using blue prints and samples that we provide. All products go through a stringent QC process prior to being put in the shelf. Our 16:1 is one of our most popular boxes. We have sold 233 of these units since putting them into our product line.

Thanks
James From
PST Marketing
 
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subcom said:
Were you able to get the box loosened up a bit? I put the 16:1 on my car and it's a bear to get off center. Like I'm turning against an extra 400 lbs hanging on the wheels. And thats with the front wheels in the air.
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Same exact symptom for me, I did attempt to back the cross shaft and worm gear off based on the fsm. It did get a small amount looser although the cross shaft adjuster was backed out against the cover as far as it would go. I have not driven the car yet though. Hope this helps thanks for the reply..Mark.
 
Swingn’71 said:
Same exact symptom for me, I did attempt to back the cross shaft and worm gear off based on the fsm. It did get a small amount looser although the cross shaft adjuster was backed out against the cover as far as it would go. I have not driven the car yet though. Hope this helps thanks for the reply..Mark.
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I have a total of 10 miles on mine before I had to pull the engine. I tried backing off the adjuster also (it wouldn't go more than a 1/4 turn, maybe 1/2) and that seemed to make a very small difference. Maybe I'll send it back since the engine is out and the box is easy to access at the moment. Best of luck with yours. -Mark (too)
 
PST said:
You are more that welcome to adjust the box, but any cutting or modifying of the box would void the warranty. The adjustment is there for that reason and adjusting can be necessary over time as with any steering box. If that was not made clear by our customer service than I apologize if there was a misunderstanding in that respect.

If there is an issue with a product we do have our in house machine shop and rebuilding service go through the item to verify if there was an issue. We do make some of our products and others we work with trusted manufacturers to make them using blue prints and samples that we provide. All products go through a stringent QC process prior to being put in the shelf. Our 16:1 is one of our most popular boxes. We have sold 233 of these units since putting them into our product line.

Thanks
James From
PST Marketing
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James thanks for the reply. As I mentioned earlier I never expected to send the unit back. I called to get some information on the way it was set up when I recieved it. In hindsight If I asked for someone more involved with hands on part of the operation that may have helped. I do appreciate you taking the time to follow up...Mark.
 
subcom said:
I have a total of 10 miles on mine before I had to pull the engine. I tried backing off the adjuster also (it wouldn't go more than a 1/4 turn, maybe 1/2) and that seemed to make a very small difference. Maybe I'll send it back since the engine is out and the box is easy to access at the moment. Best of luck with yours. -Mark (too)
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Thanks, yea I am not sure if they are expecting a fair amount of initial wear in but mine I feel was set up way too tight....
 
jimjimjimmy said:
both of my dusters are getting a 20:1 a 24:1 is to soggy and a 16:1 is to tight and the 20:1 is just right . I drove a car last summer with 20:1 and could not believe the difference . weather P.S.T. will deliver or not is unknown but there are other companys that supply them . I would like to buy from a site supporter if possible .
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Jimmy, where did the 20:1 box come from?
 
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