ARE Jeeps off Topic here ? Seeing some came OEM Mopar V8 ??

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high.rev.trev

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Just wondered...as Earlier jeeps are Popular, as far back as 1970's as Chrysler took over AMC they used the LA 360 ? Onwards + guys use the engines out of them or mod the Mopar V8's in 'em.
Just wondered.
Cheers Trev.

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That is incorrect. The Jeep V8 is not a MoPar V8. Jeep has there own V8 that is very different than the Chrysler V8.

They can be built up and made very powerful.
 
I should have added, in later years, the Chrysler Magnum was used. IDK if the LA made it into a Jeep. I never paid attention.
 
Jeep used a 360 but it was a AMC 360 (American Motors, Rambler)

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The AMC 360 V8 was standard in the 1974 Bricklin SV-1 sports car
The AMC 360 has a displacement of 359.80 cu in (5,896.1 cc).[18] The 2-barrel produced 235 hp (175 kW; 238 PS) to 245 hp (183 kW; 248 PS) in 1970 to early 1971 while the 4-barrel produced 285 hp (213 kW; 289 PS) to 295 hp (220 kW; 299 PS), 175 hp (130 kW; 177 PS) to 220 hp (164 kW; 223 PS) from mid-1971 to 1975, 140 hp (104 kW; 142 PS) to 180 hp (134 kW; 182 PS) in 1976, 129 hp (96 kW; 131 PS) in 1977, and 160 hp (119 kW; 162 PS) from 1978 to 1991.[19]

This engine was used in the 1970 AMX as the base engine and also in the 1970 Rebel, 1971-1978 Matador, Jeep J-series trucks 1970-1987, Wagoneer (SJ) models from 1972 to 1984, Cherokee (SJ) from 1974 to 1983, as well as in the full-sized Grand Wagoneer from 1984 to 1991 - becoming the last carbureted engine used in an American-built vehicle. The 360 V8 was also installed in the Bricklin SV-1 sports car for 1974 model year.

The 360 was the last AMC V8 to be manufactured. It continued to be produced after Chrysler bought American Motors in 1987 as the standard engine in the Jeep Grand Wagoneer through 1991, with the only modification being the "360" casting replaced with "5.9L" on the side of the block.[20]
 
rumblefish360 said:
That is incorrect. The Jeep V8 is not a MoPar V8. Jeep has there own V8 that is very different than the Chrysler V8.

They can be built up and made very powerful.
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Thanks, Yes I knew that (misconception) as I've owned/rebuilt an export '73 factory 4bbl 360 cube AMC ex a Javelin & as I type I'm looking at a new noa AMC Factory Can standing up in front of me as we speak.
Quiet heavily built engine bit like the IHC's - same big Mopar lifters with big foot for aggressive cam lobes, etc In fact Car craft built an alloy head worked 390/401 & it made More top end horsepower of any n/a small block ever Dyno'd ( Vic Edelbrock knew this too many years earlier when developing products for the Donahue factory backed race programme, with T/ram & I think a Racer Brown Roller Can in the end, it did a Whopping 525 odd HP at about 6,800rpm , after they'd fixed the oiling issue: Vic wasn't to publically announce the Dyno'd HP for AMC's fear of insurance lnockbacks in its SC/Ramblers & AMX's etc + NHRA refactoring. )
Got the article somewhere.
While living in Australia Mr Arnotts of AUST Arnotts Cookies fame, 1 of only about 27 AU assembled RHD '73-'74 FULLY OPTIONED 401 Javelins (only 1 in the World Personally built to those/Mr Arnotts Australia Personally ordered specs & RHD ) Only to slip through our fingers/disappear despite a Deposit paid, when the Car Yards Boss found out we were "Keewees" :-/ .
Trev.
 
Oh! OK. Cool. I never heard that story about Vic and the effort.
 
rumblefish360 said:
That is incorrect. The Jeep V8 is not a MoPar V8. Jeep has there own V8 that is very different than the Chrysler V8.

They can be built up and made very powerful.
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PS - I wasn't meaning the Early 360: I know that's different but I'm sure I've seen the Mopar 360 in a big Jeep here ( New Zealand) think it had different valve covers with extra bolts ?.
Cheers T.

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rumblefish360 said:
Oh! OK. Cool. I never heard that story about Vic and the effort.
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No worries, only it was fact & it was something to do with a cross-ram intake I think they are developing at the time a lot like the one avail for the 302ci Camaro...
I'll see if I can scan the Info: go to craft craft back issue articles if you want to read an eye opening article with the alloy heads ( I think it had them) When I wheeled in to local shop friend with the 360 4bbl on the Trailer, he scoffed disparagingly at it, but quietened up when showed him the Late hotrod/Car Craft Dyno build up
T.
 
toolmanmike said:
Jeep used a 360 but it was a AMC 360 (American Motors, Rambler)

360[edit]
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The AMC 360 V8 was standard in the 1974 Bricklin SV-1 sports car
The AMC 360 has a displacement of 359.80 cu in (5,896.1 cc).[18] The 2-barrel produced 235 hp (175 kW; 238 PS) to 245 hp (183 kW; 248 PS) in 1970 to early 1971 while the 4-barrel produced 285 hp (213 kW; 289 PS) to 295 hp (220 kW; 299 PS), 175 hp (130 kW; 177 PS) to 220 hp (164 kW; 223 PS) from mid-1971 to 1975, 140 hp (104 kW; 142 PS) to 180 hp (134 kW; 182 PS) in 1976, 129 hp (96 kW; 131 PS) in 1977, and 160 hp (119 kW; 162 PS) from 1978 to 1991.[19]

This engine was used in the 1970 AMX as the base engine and also in the 1970 Rebel, 1971-1978 Matador, Jeep J-series trucks 1970-1987, Wagoneer (SJ) models from 1972 to 1984, Cherokee (SJ) from 1974 to 1983, as well as in the full-sized Grand Wagoneer from 1984 to 1991 - becoming the last carbureted engine used in an American-built vehicle. The 360 V8 was also installed in the Bricklin SV-1 sports car for 1974 model year.

The 360 was the last AMC V8 to be manufactured. It continued to be produced after Chrysler bought American Motors in 1987 as the standard engine in the Jeep Grand Wagoneer through 1991, with the only modification being the "360" casting replaced with "5.9L" on the side of the block.[20]
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Yup. I have one in my 76 Jeep Cherokee.
 
high.rev.trev said:
PS - I wasn't meaning the Early 360: I know that's different but I'm sure I've seen the Mopar 360 in a big Jeep here ( New Zealand) think it had different valve covers with extra bolts ?.
Cheers T.

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I understood.
At sometime, the Magnum engine made its way into the Jeep, as I said as I didn’t pay attention to when it did ether.
 
The jeep 318 and 360 used very similar heads as Mopar if not the same. I say that because the 318 and 360 magnum exhaust manifolds (96/97/98) off a Jeep Grand Cherokee will fit perfectly on the exhaust ports of a Mopar head, they are an exact match.
But the Jeep motor has the starter on the passenger's side which makes using the Jeep driver's side exhaust manifold on a Mopar all but impossible. treblig
 
Treblig said:
The jeep 318 and 360 used very similar heads as Mopar if not the same. I say that because the 318 and 360 magnum exhaust manifolds (96/97/98) off a Jeep Grand Cherokee will fit perfectly on the exhaust ports of a Mopar head, they are an exact match.
But the Jeep motor has the starter on the passenger's side which makes using the Jeep driver's side exhaust manifold on a Mopar all but impossible. treblig
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Yeah, a bit like the Chrysler Marine 318/340/360 when the Factory water cooled Exh manifolds Rot out, Saving big $ if you want some Perf log headers, you can make a simple adaptor plate & mate up SB CHEV Water jacketed Exh Headers to the 318 Heads ( countersunk machine screws into the heads & studs & bolts to affix the Chev Manifolds ) learnt that Trick off a Speed shop owner Friend who got Killed Racing his boat when it crossed a wake, ran up on land & Crashed into a Shed ! - Rest peacefully Mr Peter Palmer: you were a good sort

Cheers.
 
Treblig said:
The jeep 318 and 360 used very similar heads as Mopar if not the same. I say that because the 318 and 360 magnum exhaust manifolds (96/97/98) off a Jeep Grand Cherokee will fit perfectly on the exhaust ports of a Mopar head, they are an exact match.
But the Jeep motor has the starter on the passenger's side which makes using the Jeep driver's side exhaust manifold on a Mopar all but impossible. treblig
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Rereading your Post, that'd be pretty much what I ran into when inspecting the recently released on NZ market Grand Cherokee at the Chrysler dealership when developing a set of Headers for the RHD V8 model : Quite surprised when a Set of earlier pre-cut 318 header head flanges pretty much lined up off the bat - think the manifolds were Chinese assembly plant ones std.
Interesting what people notice in passing.
IF anyone wants some nice Jeep 4.0 TJ or XJ 90's I6 headers when they crack I can ship Stateside NEW NZ made ones ( Full Longgg small tube Try-Y's ) Your $ exch rate works in your favor.
Trev
 
I don't know what your Grand Cherokee is down under but here its a a completely different platform than the Grand Wagoneer.
Grand Wagoneer was the last submodel produced of the SJ wagoneers and J-trucks. 1991 was the end for all practical purposes.
Grand Cherokees here in North America are a Chrysler drivetrain. I guarentee they don't have an AMC v-8.

The AMC 360 is in the same family as the 304, etc.
The AMC 360 heads always had the dog leg exhaust ports and bridged rockers.
The only Chryslerish item that I know of that can physically bolt to the block is a Torqueflite made with the AMC bellhousing.

Take a look at the Head bolt locations on the AMC 360 and compare with a Chrysler LA.
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also notice the exhaust bolt pattern vs. the Chrysler below.

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Below is an AMC 360 again.
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AMC did have some interesting engine options, and export options were not the same as US and Canadian.
For example the '84-87 parts book shows an Isuzu diesel - I think that was an export only option - but would have to check.
 
I starting wrenching at an AMC dealership about 1983, from there I went to work at a Chrysler/Plymouth dealer in 1986 (and still do). Once Mopar bought AMC we got the Jeep line as well. I don't ever remember seeing a Chrysler engine in an AMC body style Jeep. Now this is in the USA all bets are off once you go over the water they did all sorts of combos overthere.
 
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Its a Jeep thing! Dreams don't make things real.

But I did see a 426 hemi in a 69 dodge powerwagon. It was the original service truck, Holmes tow truck. I never noticed the Hemi emblem on the fender . I asked if it was for sale and the old guy said No Way! . I ordered it new Its a "Hemi" He said . I said Yeah right and looked at him with a smile. He opened the hood and I was amazed. You could see it was in there since birth and never cleaned ever. Dual inline quads and all. Air cleaners looked to be some type of oil bath system one on a side and he must have dumped a couple of quarts filling them.

If I didn't see the truck with my own eyes I would never believe it. So I don't blame you all if you doubt it. The truck was red with a white roof. It was in NJ near Long Beach Island. The chrome 69 grille and front bumper caught my eye driving by. I was building one at the time and was interested in it for parts.

I owned several old Holmes wreckers. Most of the chassis's they used were fire trucks. Back then if you wanted a special build not offered to the public. You ordered a fire police vehicle.

So a 360 mopar in a Jeep. Yeah it was possible if Fire, forestry or national parks ordered it. They built some wild fully caged custom Jeep and Dodge pick-ups. They looked Armored.
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I miss my 76 J10. It had a 360 that leaked oil, had no power and was just plain tired.considered a SBC replacement given there were lots of parts for the conversion. Instead I went with a 401. With a little head work, a healthy cam and intake and carb I didn’t look back. Totaled it when a a gal drove in front of me.
 
dart4forte said:
I miss my 76 J10. It had a 360 that leaked oil, had no power and was just plain tired.considered a SBC replacement given there were lots of parts for the conversion. Instead I went with a 401. With a little head work, a healthy cam and intake and carb I didn’t look back. Totaled it when a a gal drove in front of me.
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Mmmm - those 401's can get a wriggle on when breathed on especially, but strange how most have a built-in 5,000-5,500rpm built-in Rev limiter: 343ci,360 or 401 cubes; most all std react the same. In fact from the 1st 3434bbl drove found it best to actually "short shift" them.

I checked the Mopar dealer service manager over the phone: he Confirmed some came in with the extra bolt valve cover Magnum ? 360's for a time, before the later gen V8's.
Interesting Photos of the exoskeletal Fire/bush trucks etc Some Airports had similar (o/seas).
Cheers
 
IIRC the STR-11 was the AMC cross ram. The Donahoe SST Javelins were on display here last year but the hoods were not up.

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high.rev.trev said:
Mmmm - those 401's can get a wriggle on when breathed on especially, but strange how most have a built-in 5,000-5,500rpm built-in Rev limiter: 343ci,360 or 401 cubes; most all std react the same. In fact from the 1st 3434bbl drove found it best to actually "short shift" them.

I checked the Mopar dealer service manager over the phone: he Confirmed some came in with the extra bolt valve cover Magnum ? 360's for a time, before the later gen V8's.
Interesting Photos of the exoskeletal Fire/bush trucks etc Some Airports had similar (o/seas).
Cheers
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@high.rev.trev
What built in rev limited?
 
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