273 Commando VC purchase issues

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Avispa

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I bought these from dart4forte a few days, these things are dare I say the word MISMATCHED ABORTIONS, and not what I expected, so I'm reselling them pronto, You can go look at the pics from about May 22, when Dart4forte posted them for sale, and if You look closely at his posted pics, the fins are installed on the wrong side of the VC, hence the wire tabs would be at the top instead of the bottom, when I received them they were correct, go figure, (you can see the tube of RTV in the pic, twice.
The stove pipe VC seems respectable, there are a few dings in the VC gasket rail, it does seem original and the gasket rails not altered, the aluminum fin inserts do sit flat.

The PVC side, Pass side is, shall we say, not kosher, the gasket rails have been ground/ trimmed on the intake side to clear a late model/ aftermarket intake, and there is still gasket residue on the VC and the gasket rail on one end looks to have been dropped and will need to be straightened as various other sections of the rail, not sure if this will affect the "powder coating" or not when i't's straightened out. The aluminum fins on the PVC side are not sitting flat on the VC, you can actually see daylight under the fins, the VC is probably not an original HI-PO/ Commando VC but a later model VC with the fins added since it takes the later model grommet/push in style PVC valve.
When I received these VC's I contacted the seller, dart4forte, he said the pics "speak for themselves and a deal is a deal"
Make me an offer, I will post "MY" pics tomorrow. I will leave NEG feedback for him, this kinda stuff is why I got outta this years ago, guess nothins' changed.I'm here to help Ya'll, I have **** I'll give Ya, I'm old school Southern, We didn't pull this **** down here, jus sayin"
 
Ask for a refund. Or go through PayPal to get one. If he misrepresented what he is selling and isn’t willing to stand by it then that’s the best avenue to pursue.

Jake
 
not sure Paypal will do the right thing, I ain't rich, but if I can't get any monetary satisfaction, I'll shame the hell outta him, if possible, and at least warn others.
 
Well, that didnt take long. You got what you paid for. I didnt advertise them as NOS therefor they are used parts. If you were so picky why didnt you ask for more pics. Would of been more than happy to send some. I think your expectations are too high. Wee bit picky. This is s swap meet. Would you buy something at a swap meet, change your mind and take it back expecting a refund? I think not.

Go ahead and post a negative feedback, your call or do what you have to do.

Not going to continue to entertain the audience on an open forum so this is the last response from me.
 
Your right, didn't take long, people like You need to be called out. I won't get anything back outta you, I've seen Your kind, ya'll are dime a dozen, and ya'll make it rough on every honest person.
 
Looking at the pics those do look like 67 covers. Only the left has a stove pipe in 67 and the right was a rubber seal. The wire tabs also look correct for 67. I do see where the fins on the one are put on upside down.
 
So much for the "stripped" part having the gasket material on them, did that get power coated too?
 
I bought these from dart4forte a few days, these things are dare I say the word MISMATCHED ABORTIONS, and not what I expected, so I'm reselling them pronto, You can go look at the pics from about May 22, when Dart4forte posted them for sale, and if You look closely at his posted pics, the fins are installed on the wrong side of the VC, hence the wire tabs would be at the top instead of the bottom, when I received them they were correct, go figure, (you can see the tube of RTV in the pic, twice.
The stove pipe VC seems respectable, there are a few dings in the VC gasket rail, it does seem original and the gasket rails not altered, the aluminum fin inserts do sit flat.

The PVC side, Pass side is, shall we say, not kosher, the gasket rails have been ground/ trimmed on the intake side to clear a late model/ aftermarket intake, and there is still gasket residue on the VC and the gasket rail on one end looks to have been dropped and will need to be straightened as various other sections of the rail, not sure if this will affect the "powder coating" or not when i't's straightened out. The aluminum fins on the PVC side are not sitting flat on the VC, you can actually see daylight under the fins, the VC is probably not an original HI-PO/ Commando VC but a later model VC with the fins added since it takes the later model grommet/push in style PVC valve.
When I received these VC's I contacted the seller, dart4forte, he said the pics "speak for themselves and a deal is a deal"
Make me an offer, I will post "MY" pics tomorrow. I will leave NEG feedback for him, this kinda stuff is why I got outta this years ago, guess nothins' changed.I'm here to help Ya'll, I have **** I'll give Ya, I'm old school Southern, We didn't pull this **** down here, jus sayin"
This thread has been moved to Mopar general discussion.When you are ready to sell them, please start a proper sale thread. Thanks
 
What a bucket of worms!, I'de like to run these, but I don't want to cut up the good one, I do have a 360 in the car with and Eddy manifold, do I wanna run the 360? no, if I cut the original it'll fit the 360, but when I put the 273 back, they would be usable but fucked looking, see My point?, No it's not an ULF car, but damm, this ain't what I expected and paid for. It's a mismatched bunch o' crap, who powder coats with bent gasket rails and gasket residue, this was a cheap quickie turnarond swaparoo for a few bucks, damm You must not think much of yourself or reputation to pawn these off on someone.
I posted a bunch of stuff for sale and for free today, and a bunch at very fair prices, I hope people can use it and are at least near where I am in the monetary game, ain't rich, the 200 bucks for the VC's ain't gonna take food of my table, but I don't like dishonest people taking advantage of Me or anyone else, I got screwed by someone that has no conscious, and as close knit as this place is, or should be, that's a sin, We should be looking out for each other in our hobby/passion for A's.
I'll give Ya the shirt of my back if ya need it and hell, even ask for it in need, try to take and I'll eat your liver! not tough talk, just old southern man to man ****, and **** Neil Young, Southern Man, We do need Ya to stand up fairly and defend honor and justice.
Maybe I'll run an auction here and put the VC's up, don't matter to Me, it ain't like I got them stuffed under my pillow, scared someone's gonna break in the house and gun me down for'um.
It all boils down to principal, man'in up, where I'm from and how I grew up was that a man's word was his rep, **** it up and Ya ain't ever trusted, a handshake was all Ya needed, no bullshit paperwork notarized! me idealistic? yep, do I sleep well at night? yep, when I go out do I have to look over My shoulder? nope, sorry, for Me a few bucks ain't worth it, God ain't for Me, but Karma, HELL YES !
 
I am no Professional Restoration person, but I honestly don't see what the problem is. The guy had pictures, good pictures, of what he was selling and a decent description of them and the price. He didn't lie about them. I would have sold them the same way for the same price and if you didn't like them once you got them, tough luck. Either ask for more pictures or only buy in person. I don't think you can blame the seller because you're too picky. Look at the pictures, that's what you bought. Note to self, don't sell to Avispa.
 
So are the 1967 Commando valve covers or not? That seems to be the only issue to me. I wouldn't know a 67 cover from a 97.
 
Hacked up rails and backwards fins. Backwards fins not on properly either, sitting too high?
Pics were mentioned but haven't seen them.
 
Hacked up rails and backwards fins. Backwards fins not on properly either, sitting too high?
Pics were mentioned but haven't seen them.
Post #7 has a link to the original for sale thread, that thread has the pictures as they were offered up for sale...and bought
 
I'm not taking sides here. But I will say that I have dealt with dart4forte in the past and have not had an issue with him. I will add I sell a lot of parts on here and the way I try to handle a situation like this is I ask the buyer to return them at his cost and I will then refund his original money. I try not to get in the habit of shipping and refunding at my cost to see if the buyer is happy. About as fair of an option as I can think of.
 
ditto on my experiences with dart4forte - always been a stand up guy in my experience - these are a pair of 52 year old used valve covers...
 
I'm not taking sides here. But I will say that I have dealt with dart4forte in the past and have not had an issue with him. I will add I sell a lot of parts on here and the way I try to handle a situation like this is I ask the buyer to return them at his cost and I will then refund his original money. I try not to get in the habit of shipping and refunding at my cost to see if the buyer is happy. About as fair of an option as I can think of.

Well, when I approched Him about the problems with the covers in a PM, here's his response, didn't take long to figure out I was wasting My time.

"Well, I gave you pictures, was straight with you on the shipping so as far as I’m concerned done deal. The cover in question came off another engine. Both covers were chemically stripped and powder coated by the same guy. As far as nitnoid details the covers were used for functionality, not for show. These covers were not NOS therefor were sold as a used part. Used parts are for the most parts not perfect. As far as that one fin, with a little heat it will come off. I used a bit of black RTV to place the other fin. Same can be done to the other fin.

Given the rarity of these covers and the used condition they were in I feel it was a fair deal."
 
I hear She's really good, I don't think she can replace VC gasket rails that have been ground off, and who powder coats a VC with bent rails and gasket residue still on it, maybe it was run after the powder coating and just didn't bother to clean it off before selling it. one VC hasn't been ground off, one has, so to run with an aftermarket intake I'll have to grind the stock Vc, to run a stock intake It will look like hell, no not a concours show car, but didn't expect mismatched VC's either.
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