WIW Opinions on a 69 Dart GTS.

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TimS

TimS

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Gettin' ready to pull the trigger on this new project 69 GTS. Specifics are:

2 owner car. Present owner has had for almost 40 years. 50K original miles.
#'s matching 340 4 speed with non original 3.55 SG 8 3/4 rear. Originally had 3.23 SG.
Runs and drives very good.
F8 green with black bucket non console interior.
Non original white stripe added during the repaint many years ago. Stripe delete car.
Driver quality paint still shines. Minor scratches here and there with some bubbling along the drip trough area only. Rust free every where else.
Export car with original fender tag. Seats never out so build sheet could still be there.
Thoughts on what the car is worth? I've attached a couple of shots.
Thanks !!

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Project? Man thats a driver! 12-20K pending on the little things would be my guess. Is it something you have already bought?Only original once. 0.02
 
I am thinking a bit higher. at least $20 large.
 
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Have you decoded the fender tag thoroughly??

Did it ever have a vinyl top?

I find it odd to have rust bubbles on the top drip rail and never anywhere else.

Have you got under car and looked behind the bottom rear quarters?

The added side molding and wrong stripe bugs me. IF it’s all stick on molding it can be removed. But it might lift paint. And it might leave a shadow of non sun exposed paint to exposed to sun paint.

Is the stripe painted on? It’s wrong for 69 GTS and I think in the wrong location some.

I think a safe buy is in the $15K+-ish range.

Will you live with the paint the way it is ?

If you paint it, paying $20k+ is not worth it.
 
autoxcuda said:
Have you decoded the fender tag thoroughly??

Did it ever have a vinyl top?

I find it odd to have rust bubbles on the top drip rail and never anywhere else.

Have you got under car and looked behind the bottom rear quarters?

The added side molding and wrong stripe bugs me. IF it’s all stick on molding it can be removed. But it might lift paint. And it might leave a shadow of non sun exposed paint to exposed to sun paint.

Is the stripe painted on? It’s wrong for 69 GTS and I think in the wrong location some.

I think a safe buy is in the $15K+-ish range.

Will you live with the paint the way it is ?

If you paint it, paying $20k+ is not worth it.
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Agree with Steve. Some real hillbilly things done. Stripe is wrong so remove it. If it’s freshly painted the stripe should come off. Hopefully enough clear to cut and buff the outline. Floors and trunk pan would concern me. Bottom line decode that fender tag, 15k tops and return it to original.
 
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dart4forte said:
Agree with Steve. Some real hillbilly things done. Stripe is wrong so remove it. If it’s painted the stripe should come off. Hopefully enough clear to cut and buff the outline. Floors and trunk pan would concern me. Bottom line decode that fender tag, 15k tops and return it to original.
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I changed my tune after looking closer and seeing what you guys saw.
 
Don’t pay a premium for a build sheet which “might” be there. It’s easy to take a flashlight and see if the build sheet is tucked under the rear seat bottom. And if you can’t see it with a flashlight and mirror and the seller still thinks it’s there, have him remove the seat bottom. Removing it takes a little work as the clips are a little tricky but it’s not screwed to the car. It’s more difficult to remove the two spark plugs under the brake fluid reservoir than to remove the rear seat bottom. Also mumbo jumbo about the seats never being out doesn’t mean squat. It’s like when a seller say it’s “never been driven in the rain” or “only lady driven”. Impossible to prove and, if it can’t be proved, then why mention it? It’s a slimy sales tactic that should have no bearing on the selling price of the car.

Is there a “T” in the rubber (gasp) fuel line just past the fuel filter?
 
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Stripe is painted on. Low option car. No vinyl top. All floors great. All original metal car. I do plan to drive while I restore. I will keep all original as much as possible. No power steering or brakes. The original intake and exhaust manifolds go with it. Has original spare. I plan to swap the 70 rallies out as well. Bad thing about the stripe too is it’s offset location. I’m going to try and see what I can do about matching the correct stripe up to it. Depends on whether I repaint it or not. I’ll leave the stripe off like it came if I repaint the whole car. It’s missing the rocker moldings too.
 
I figure this. Decide how many $$ it takes to make it a great #2 car and subtract that from a realistic retail fair market value. That gives you current retail value in todays clothes. . What this car is worth perfect, I have no idea!
I will say this, few cars came with their build sheet, usually missing 5 wrong ones. Export cars were generally ordered by servicemen back in the day. Does not mean the car was ever out of the US.
 
check the numbers on the radiator, it does not look original to me and the carb is not original. I would start looking for all non original parts. decode the fender tag and find the build sheet. you need to get it on a lift and check how solid the bones are. expect $12k for a #3 car and $19k for a #2 car. consider all options, disc brakes? light group? ash tray, glove box, trunk? fender tag and build sheet will tell. figure in its finished value after you spend all your money. #1car, trailer-ed show car never driven is $27k.
 
The car was ordered by a service man in Florida. Hasn’t left the states. He picked it up when he got back from Europe.
 
mine was turquoise, some of the earlier ones were red like the 68's were.

1 of 1022 is not that rare. if it has disc brakes, that would make it rare.

and do not read $ into rare. under 100 1967 GTS's were made and they do not command big money and they are not that collectible even though they are way cool.
 
drip rail rust can be common if the seam sealer cracks and rain gets under it.

wasn't factory side molding optional on stripe delete cars?

I've found build sheets to be about 50/50 but it's quite common to find a BS for a different car with the same interior.

if the car was in FL, be sure to thoroughly check the cowl vents.
that could also explain the drip rail rust
 
ch1ll said:
check the numbers on the radiator, it does not look original to me and the carb is not original. I would start looking for all non original parts. decode the fender tag and find the build sheet. you need to get it on a lift and check how solid the bones are. expect $12k for a #3 car and $19k for a #2 car. consider all options, disc brakes? light group? ash tray, glove box, trunk? fender tag and build sheet will tell. figure in its finished value after you spend all your money. #1car, trailer-ed show car never driven is $27k.
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Radiator looks like mine - PN 2949066 - 33066?
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it's worth what it's worth to the eye of the beholder. One man's evaluation will differ from another man's. Recent selling prices will let you know "fair market value", although it's very difficult to find an "exact" to compare it against, so it only provides a ball park figure. If you like it, and you can agree on a what you would consider a fair price, buy it
 
dart4forte said:
Agree with Steve. Some real hillbilly things done. Stripe is wrong so remove it. If it’s freshly painted the stripe should come off. Hopefully enough clear to cut and buff the outline. Floors and trunk pan would concern me. Bottom line decode that fender tag, 15k tops and return it to original.
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Didn’t realize the stripe is painted. Look for the numbers on the block. Hopefully the340 is still there. Again look at those floors. Poke around with a screw driver or better yet an awl. If there’s lots of heavy undercoating I would be suspicious. Look at it in the dark. Place a light under the truck and truck extensions. Look in the trunk for little peeps of light from pin holes. That’s a sign of further problems.

What is that oval tag next to the fender tag?
 
Oval tag is the factory export tag.

Car still has its #’s matching 340 and 4 speed.
 
Interesting car ! Why would you order a GTS and equip it like a Swinger ? Just for the buckets and some trim ?
I like it !
 
mbaird said:
Interesting car ! Why would you order a GTS and equip it like a Swinger ? Just for the buckets and some trim ?
I like it !
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Back in '68 my good friend ordered brand new, a 68 sport satellite, 383 4 speed, F3 green, green int, gold vinyl top. He thought the roadrunner was childish, the GTX too exp and fancy, he liked the idea of the sport sat, and no one else had one!. The green? Go figure.
 
ch1ll said:
mine was turquoise, some of the earlier ones were red like the 68's were.

1 of 1022 is not that rare. if it has disc brakes, that would make it rare.

and do not read $ into rare. under 100 1967 GTS's were made and they do not command big money and they are not that collectible even though they are way cool.
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There were a few more than 100 '67 GTS's made....457 actually...229 4 speeds and 228 autos...and unmolested, they do attract a decent price.
 
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