Swapping X's for Trick Flows

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In other words, your a jerk.
And you prove it by continuing to comment and add nothing worth while and admitting you didn’t fully read or understand what’s going on. Well that’s just icing on the cake. Just walk away my man, just walk away.

Not everyone can do it all at once and be “Your” perfect.

B3422w5 said:
No, you just made what i thought was a dumb comment. Anybody who is making any amount of power at all( and with a ported aluminum head your goal certainly must be to do so) realizes running stock exhaust manifolds isn't something worth liking.
Yes, i do plan to use a set of these heads in the future. I have what will be( with those heads) about a 12.7 to 1 418 shortblock built for them. Health forces me to run my current combo another race season. I was actually #2 on the planet to get a set when they became available. I gave a guy on here my spot. Dont need any help figuring out what to do with them. Already done all the research
And i actualiy am very nice. Just really dumb stuff needs called out.
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Finally, a guy gets a set of trick flow heads, gets his car up and running which is what everyone was dying to have happen and someone has to start acting like a Damn child, if ya don't have anything to contribute or good to say just keep your fingers away from the key board. No one wants to read it. By the way Mopar69gts, thanks for letting us know how the build is going, keep an eye out for Advance Auto (I think) they have sales on Dougs headers every so often.

Jeff
 
SLOPAR72 said:
Just curious, how much is he leaving on the table without the headers in the current setup?

JW
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That's been tested multiple times over the last 50 years on all manufacturing platforms. You should be able to google multiple dyno comparisons. Depending on the other parts in the engine, headers will add 25-50hp. 25 on a stock-ish motor and closer to 50 or more on something that will flow a lot of air, like a 408 with TF heads.
 
Take it to the strip and see how it runs, then when you can do the headers, take it down the track. Nothing wrong with doing mods a step or two at a time as funds allow. Plus you get to see the gains as you go. There's ideally, then reality.....yours.:thumbsup:
 
B3422w5 said:
No, you just made what i thought was a dumb comment. Anybody who is making any amount of power at all( and with a ported aluminum head your goal certainly must be to do so) realizes running stock exhaust manifolds isn't something worth liking.
Yes, i do plan to use a set of these heads in the future. I have what will be( with those heads) about a 12.7 to 1 418 shortblock built for them. Health forces me to run my current combo another race season. I was actually #2 on the planet to get a set when they became available. I gave a guy on here my spot. Dont need any help figuring out what to do with them. Already done all the research
And i actualiy am very nice. Just really dumb stuff needs called out.
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Fact is a fact. Lol

Fact... they make less power choked with manifolds.
Fact... some people 'it's their prerogative' find novelty in odd things, even counter productive things...Fact... those people will be mocked for it.

I say he spends 2 grand on a custom intake manifold to run 8 holley 1920 one barrels next. Jk
 
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MOPAROFFICIAL said:
I say he spends 2 grand on a custom intake manifold to run 8 holley 1920 one barrels next.
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I’d pay to see that!
You also forgot;

FACT;
Some people split hairs on the stupidest of things and carry on and on because they must be heard as right. They will go on and on until there the last one speaking, which makes them of course, right.
Because they said it last.
 
I'd rather run those TF heads and 340 exhaust manifolds than x heads and headers.
How would that work out, which would hurt you more, choked intake? Or choked exhaust?

I'll take the choked exhaust flow over the asthmatic head everytime.
The point is it's just amazing to only be 200 bucks from even shitty headers that would carry their weight at least through 5000 rpm as to where after that...a 700 dollar step tti would keep the torque/hp pulling though 7+rpm.
None of it was meant to be assholish.. some people should just lighten up. A normal secure response would have been 'oh yeah I'm saving up for those but I just couldn't wait so I had to try it out'. Big deal
Last word.lol
 
Mopar69gts said:
Yeah you're right
I was just hoping I could run what I have for now and upgrade later.
My car had headers before ,but cheapo low hanging ones that hit every speed bump, lumpy intersections, driveways...etc
Always blowing gaskets
So that's why I went to manifolds.
Tti's or dougs only way to go , not have all those problems.
Just wasn't ready to spend another $700 +
I don't have a choice now.
No doubt it will make more power.
Oh well gotta pay to play...lol
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First I want to thank everyone for their interest on this;
And I completely agree headers will absolutely make more power!
If my car was a race only or even street/strip car no way would I have used manifolds!
It's a daily driver that I want to run on 91
Also more power was not my only reason for swapping heads.
The main thing was trying to get rid of detonation without de tuning it to death or starting over completely.
I spent a lot of time researching cylinder heads and decided if I was gonna do it I might as well wait for the Trick Flows to become available that gives me so much more right out of the box.
I'm so happy to report the detonation is gone!! ( at least that I can hear.)
I have been around racing all my life and was taught by some legendary racers / engine builders to make one change at a time to better tell what did what.
The power increase is noticeable everywhere!
Headers are definitely in the near future.

Btw I'm glad that kendog 170 suggested using a header flange as a spacer for the driver side manifold!
Which worked perfectly!
And got my car back on the road sooner.
Thank you!
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
I'd rather run those TF heads and 340 exhaust manifolds than x heads and headers.
How would that work out, which would hurt you more, choked intake? Or choked exhaust?

I'll take the choked exhaust flow over the asthmatic head everytime.
The point is it's just amazing to only be 200 bucks from even shitty headers that would carry their weight at least through 5000 rpm as to where after that...a 700 dollar step tti would keep the torque/hp pulling though 7+rpm.
None of it was meant to be assholish.. some people should just lighten up. A normal secure response would have been 'oh yeah I'm saving up for those but I just couldn't wait so I had to try it out'. Big deal
Last word.lol
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I think several people took my comment the wrong way.
If you go back and read what i said, i made clear if the OP didn't have the dough to buy the headers it was understandable. In fact i think i said that twice.
What my comment was referencing was the guy who posted the following.... “ i like that you are using exhaust manifolds with these heads” ..... that is the exact quote my comments were directed to.
Sorry, there is nothing to like about that. Its like liking the fact you have a 5/16 fuel line feeding a blown hemi.
Even the OP is saying he cant wait to get headers on it. I agree, and am in no way dogging him because he is waiting to get the dollars together. Its great he has the car running. I do apologize if the OP thought i was making fun. I wasn't, and wouldn't. My comment was 100% directed at the quote i reposted above.
And after having slept on it, i still feel the same. It was a dumb.... maybe more accurately, a missplaced thought.
 
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It's all Good!
No worries...I love the passion!
We all love our Mopars!
And IMHO have a common goal to keep them going better, stronger, faster or bone stock original or somewhere in between.
We don't always see eye to eye...lol
But I'd like to believe most here want to help out.
Thank you guys!

Btw my first car at 15 yrs old was a 67 barracuda.
273, 904, 8.75
I later sold it to Bob Riggle he made it one of his Hemi under glass cars...
 
gzig5 said:
Sorry, we're going to need a bill of sale...

Lol
I had an add in the news paper asking $ 1,500

He showed up in kinda ratty clothes said his name was Bob got me down to $ 800
Told me he'd have it picked up the next day.
A nice big truck and trailer pulled up I asked about it the driver said well you know who you sold your car to right?
Idk some guy named bob?
He said yeah Bob Riggle the Hemi under glass guy this is his new car!!
I had no idea...lol
I saw him a few years later at Firebird Raceway in the pits he was running a different car I introduced myself to him and said I sold you my 67 he had it finished and had a picture of it doing a wheel stand at another track.
He signed it to Mike thanks for the nice car.
Then he said that will be $ 10 !!
I just had to laugh I paid for it and still have it on my wall...lol
That was about 30 something years ago.





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nm9stheham said:
Good start! Keep any eye and ear out for detonation when the weather turns cool in the fall and the air gets denser. BTW, I think your compression gauge is in error..!
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Yep
You were right!
My Snap on guy lent me a new gauge
It shows 175 where my old one showed 190
Anyway thank you..
And all's well so far with the Trick Flows!!
Runs Great more power and No detonation!
My Family chipped in on Father's day for a set of Doug's!
Should have them next week!!
Thank you all FABO!
 
I would be curious to see what numbers the car will run through the manifolds. Any info about a serious combo running manifolds is interesting. At least to me.
 
Weather, humidity.... really screw the air quality. Flow benches for instance... they flow air not water... air gets too humid...numbers get funky, the humid air doesnt hold @lift sometimes.
People dont talk about this much, except on speed talk, once in a while. I quit on my x heads for a week because a port that flowed 254.... went south .. after no changes other than the weather/humidity went 75+%.
 
“ i like that you are using exhaust manifolds with these heads”
I agree with this statement 100%
If he would have installed headers, everyone would have said(most every one LOL) that he felt the power the header gave him and not the heads.
With the heads being the only thing changes........i'm glad he installed the exh manifold.
But yes, those head are screaming for headers and a free flowing exhausted...........but then again, so was the X heads :thumbsup:
 
Without an adequate flowing intake and exhaust header to support the cylinder head ...the power increase and difference of said head change would not truly be realized.
It would be trick heads *but corked with power robbing exhaust manifolds*

Most of us want to see 580-620hp out of these.
 
Yes we all want to see the big numbers, AKA the potential of these new head.
Is he wrong for building such a wimpy example of these heads.....NO! And That's My Final Answer.
He build for his combo. and left penty on the table for later!
I build a 408 with all good stuff and balance to turn 8500 RPM!!!! Went with a better then factory head and then dummy down with a cam that only lets it breath to 5800 rpm. (That was the spec i gave when the cam was build) Yes I Could Have just bought a cast crank stock rods and cast piston of some sort. Would have been a LOT LESS Money and a couple years less to build. YUP i'm a real dummy to build a eng that i can grow into................
Its not Wrong to build for future HP Up Grades!!!! He is Not at fault, that he build the eng around his need AND NOT WHAT WE ARE ALL SO IMPATIENTLY WAITING FOR.
Rant Off :soapbox::thumbsup:
 
Cudafever said:
Yes we all want to see the big numbers, AKA the potential of these new head.
Is he wrong for building such a wimpy example of these heads.....NO! And That's My Final Answer.
He build for his combo. and left penty on the table for later!
I build a 408 with all good stuff and balance to turn 8500 RPM!!!! Went with a better then factory head and then dummy down with a cam that only lets it breath to 5800 rpm. (That was the spec i gave when the cam was build) Yes I Could Have just bought a cast crank stock rods and cast piston of some sort. Would have been a LOT LESS Money and a couple years less to build. YUP i'm a real dummy to build a eng that i can grow into................
Its not Wrong to build for future HP Up Grades!!!! He is Not at fault, that he build the eng around his need AND NOT WHAT WE ARE ALL SO IMPATIENTLY WAITING FOR.
Rant Off :soapbox::thumbsup:
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Lmao
No one is saying he wasted his time.
Simply stating some general expectations most of us have of these heads, not that we expect it from HIS engine. Just a lot of sceptics needing that final nudge..and this example is lacking. Don't deny the facts.

It's really crazy to witness the different 'take away' one has from a statement someone else makes. Cheers
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
Lmao
No one is saying he wasted his time.
Simply stating some general expectations most of us have of these heads, not that we expect it from HIS engine. Just a lot of sceptics needing that final nudge..and this example is lacking. Don't deny the facts.

It's really crazy to witness the different 'take away' one has from a statement someone else makes. Cheers
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It's people like you who think it's all figured out. OP is an awesome forum member with extreme detail of what he did..... And so what if he spent the money on the heads..... His car his way....

You should call Buck racing engines and get him right too..... He would love your input....

JW
 
SLOPAR72 said:
It's people like you who think it's all figured out. OP is an awesome forum member with extreme detail of what he did..... And so what if he spent the money on the heads..... His car his way....

You should call Buck racing engines and get him right too..... He would love your input....

JW
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Right on
I am still trying to figure out how the man got the top of those pistons so clean.
 
SLOPAR72 said:
It's people like you who think it's all figured out. OP is an awesome forum member with extreme detail of what he did..... And so what if he spent the money on the heads..... His car his way....

You should call Buck racing engines and get him right too..... He would love your input....

JW
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Wtf.
I simply pointed out a fact that people wanna see some heavy builds with these heads. That has nothing to do with the op and doesnt bash his build... take off your cape and climb back aboard the short bus you rode in on.
 
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