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Im excited that iam down to 3 things to get done and the Dart goes in for safety. All i can do but iam having a flickin hard time figuring out the reverse lights. 67 Dart , 1973 318/904 auto. in it. Everything works on the car except the reverse lamps.Iam electrically stupid in alot of ways.This is were im at, N.S.S has 3 wires. Brown(center) goes to start.relay. I know that and the car fires and runs fine. I have a Black wire and a black wire with white tracer that are there but not hooked up to anything and have been pulled up to inside the car. Running a B&M shifter on floor.This is what i understand..........brown(center) to starter relay, Black 12v source, Black with white tracer to purple wire at connection at Dr. side kick panel area??????? Ive downloaded mymopar,my diagram (doent have the 2 wires in question ) and the web with no real solution. Im sure this has been beat to death but i need real simple instructions for one simple GUY......Thanks. BTW,, Its not easy to post sometimes to show all you arent to smart in certain areas.
 
3-wire means a '69-up neutral safety switch, which comports with your '73 transmission. The '68-down cars had the reversing light switch on the shifter itself. The centre pin of the 3-pin '69-up NSS is for neutral safety. The outboard two pins are for the reversing lamps. +feed via fuse --> NSS --> rear of car.
 
Was this a console or column shift car? Reverse switch in 67 would have been on the shifter, not the transmission. The later NSS the two outer pins are reverse. Reverse comes up from behind in the tail harness, to the kick panel connector for that harness, and then either goes through bulkhead or to console jumper connector. White and purple.

Violet is in the kick panel connector for the lamps

The original power feed to the switch came off the wiper switch for column shifter

If you had a console look for an odd shaped connector with the white and violet

Remember, on a 4 speed car, the backup is on the transmission and therefore went through the bulkhead. On a console or column shift automatic, the backup does not go through the bulkhead originally, in 67

Unfortunately MyMopar is down.
 
Since you have stated that you do have the later model trans, and 3 wire switch, and wiring in this 67... all you need to do is find a odd shaped 2 wire connector ( it should be somewhere between brake pedal and firewall, left of steering column, its there whether plugged directly into a column mounted switch or instead has/had a console extension harness plugged into it ) with a purple and a white. Connect those 2 later model wires that someone has already brought into the cab for you.
 
And then after getting it wired correctly if it doesn't work you probably have a newer Standard Parts switch that is a little too long for the selector comb to work it , if so you will have to add an extra washer or two between the NSS and the housing to space it back until the switch can work right , I used the composite washers from my extra Holley power valves on mine .
 
RedFish said:
Since you have stated that you do have the later model trans, and 3 wire switch, and wiring in this 67... all you need to do is find a odd shaped 2 wire connector ( it should be somewhere between brake pedal and firewall, left of steering column, its there whether plugged directly into a column mounted switch or instead has/had a console extension harness plugged into it ) with a purple and a white. Connect those 2 later model wires that someone has already brought into the cab for you.
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Ive been in under the dash lots of times,not as of late due to back. The 67 had a 4speed in it when purchased. Its now a auto. There is a plug connector with a purple and white wire connected to 2 purple wires. They are in the harness that goes up to back of cluster and i believe branch off and come down to dr.side kick panel area. I appreciate the help everyone. BTW Red, i pulled the 2 wires up myself to get them out of the way, shift linkage,exhaust.
 
OK My memory serves poorly as of late,,
67 in cabin reverse wires were a violet and violet with a white tracer ( that tracer was very difficult to see ). A dash mounted reverse indicator lamp would get only 1 of the wires being the switch activated hot. That indicator bulb would be chassis grounded. Now automatic.., same as above, hook up the 2 wires. isolate or delete that branch to indicator.
 
Nite Moves said:
Ive been in under the dash lots of times,not as of late due to back. The 67 had a 4speed in it when purchased. Its now a auto. There is a plug connector with a purple and white wire connected to 2 purple wires. They are in the harness that goes up to back of cluster and i believe branch off and come down to dr.side kick panel area. I appreciate the help everyone. BTW Red, i pulled the 2 wires up myself to get them out of the way, shift linkage,exhaust.
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If you had a 4 speed you are "all set" with the more modern automatic. The two fours speed reverse wires appear in the bulkhead connector. Just hook them to the two outside terminals of the transmission switch.

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Del, Thanks. The car was orig. a auto the previous owner at one time swapped it out to a 4speed. There are no 2 violet/purple wires at bulk head. Thus confusing me some. My wiring diagram is coloured and well done and has helped me out alot. The only thing i can think of is someone has re configured a few of the wires. Im thinking of pulling the plug at column area with the violet and white that meets the 2 violet. Using the 2 violet to the black and black with white chaser to see if that works????????the only thing i can think of. Power should be with key in on position? and in reverse?
 
OK so OEM automatic, then later a manual, and now automatic again. No wonder its a little confusing. In 67 automatic the reverse lamp switch was inside the car either on the column or on the floor shifter. That's why you don't have purple wires through bulkhead.
Power is there at switch on but only 1 of the 2 wires, shifter to reverse activates switch ( now on transmission ) = both wires hot, power continues back into the cabin and on to the rear harness.
 
RedFish said:
OK so OEM automatic, then later a manual, and now automatic again. No wonder its a little confusing. In 67 automatic the reverse lamp switch was inside the car either on the column or on the floor shifter. That's why you don't have purple wires through bulkhead.
Power is there at switch on but only 1 of the 2 wires, shifter to reverse activates switch ( now on transmission ) = both wires hot, power continues back into the cabin and on to the rear harness.
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:violent1:LOL,,,,,so not a real dumb question..lol. I found the 2 purple wires were hooked up to a switch on the column at floor......:violent1:Yep,thats it. They dont go anywhere. This is what i just did,,,,,, I attached the black wire from NSS to the black wire at kick panel (power source ) i used the black with white tracer and hooked it up to the violet at kick panel:cheers:They work, well of course with the lights on. SO!!!!!!They work with the lights on and only in reverse. TIME FOR A BEER !!!!!!!!! Now i guess all i need is to hook up the one wire to a power source other then the rear lights. Thanks everyone, dont ask how i came up with the idea,LOL.....Luck i guess:burnout::burnout: SOON I hope!!!!!!!!
 
LOL. "I see said the blind man to the deaf person."

You could pickup power as if you were installing a tach......yes, key on is what you want. Not sure where to steer you from here. If worst comes to worst you could wire into the kick panel connector for the rear harness, that would for certain give you access to the backup lamps wire
 
slantsixdan said:
3-wire means a '69-up neutral safety switch, which comports with your '73 transmission. The '68-down cars had the reversing light switch on the shifter itself. The centre pin of the 3-pin '69-up NSS is for neutral safety. The outboard two pins are for the reversing lamps. +feed via fuse --> NSS --> rear of car.
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I'm having issues with my lights on my car. Its a 69 valiant, original /6 car, changed it to a 360 with 727, and installed a hurst promatic. The harness from the 3 prong NSS goes to a plug, that goes to a short pair of wires that goes to the bulk head in the engine compartment. On the interior side of the bulk head, there are no wires going to the holes the wires went to in the engine compartment. I found the plug under the dash that has the violet and white wires, but don't know where to plug them in. I don't think they plugged into the old steering column? The white and violet wires are for the back up lamps, but I dont know how to get everything connected. The hurst instructions say you don't need to wire anything on a 69 and later mopar.
 
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