ir3333
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This thread is too Rigid and has gone off the Rails!
...couldn't resist
...couldn't resist
I am really surprised this didn't kick up
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moparmat2000
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Still stiffer than stock.
383Scampman
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I had a chassis builder tell me that frame connectors don't do anything . He also told me a 6point roll won't stiffen a chassis . hahahaha. To the person who posted that Detroit didn't put flex into their cars never rode in a 1959-1964 Chevy Impala x-frame . I used to race a 1965 Valiant Signet 2 dr. h.t., 272 2bbl. After a pass the doors wouldn't open . Tied the frames and problem solved .
Was that chassis builder named Tony?
Ever watch the old 455 Cutlass or 455 Skylarks or 455 GTO's at the drag strips. It's nothing to see them pull the left front tire a foot while the right tire is on the ground.
clifftt
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Both my quarter panels are cracked on my ‘66. One was cracked on my ‘64 in the exact same place.
Yes, these cars were produced for the masses and not expected to last 10 years.
That’s why I welded frame connectors on my car.
Yes, these cars were produced for the masses and not expected to last 10 years.
That’s why I welded frame connectors on my car.
I want to make myself clear on something though. Tony is a wealth of knowledge and information on these cars. He has more experience in his left pinky than most people gain in a lifetime. I have the utmost respect for him and his abilities. Just because I disagree with him on something takes nothing away from him at all. I just disagree.
Also.........MILLIONS of Mopars drove MILLIONS of miles and never got frame connectors. Lots are still out there and they are fine. Everything I have said about the subject is MY PERSONAL OPINION and should be taken as such. Seems lots of people here agree. Some don't and that's fine too. I guess the bottom line is do to your car what YOU want to. If frame connectors ain't it, then more power to you!
Also.........MILLIONS of Mopars drove MILLIONS of miles and never got frame connectors. Lots are still out there and they are fine. Everything I have said about the subject is MY PERSONAL OPINION and should be taken as such. Seems lots of people here agree. Some don't and that's fine too. I guess the bottom line is do to your car what YOU want to. If frame connectors ain't it, then more power to you!
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Princess Valiant
A.K.A. Rainy Day Auto
I never meant any disrespect to UTG. In fact mr. Tony is one of few people I don't know personally but I would trust him with the keys to my car. The man is brilliant, and cute.
But if he is going to put his opinions out there then he can expect some disagreement and a lot of agreement.
As I said earlier, the video put me in a dilemma as to what to do with my own car which now has connectors and is almost done with the restoration process, that is the only reason I posted here in a question.
But if he is going to put his opinions out there then he can expect some disagreement and a lot of agreement.
As I said earlier, the video put me in a dilemma as to what to do with my own car which now has connectors and is almost done with the restoration process, that is the only reason I posted here in a question.
dartfreak75
Restore it, Dont part it!
Best post on a 6 page thread right here!!
moparmat2000
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Very true, I agree 100% with your statement, however we all know that if your going to ask more from it by souping up the drivetrain and suspension other than the way it was built, then adding something to stiffen it up even more is something that needs to be done if your new suspension system is going to work as efficiently as possible.
moparmat2000
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Your car will ride tighter, and handle better once it's done, simply by what you did with the connectors and with your new suspension components. Chrysler was trying to tighten up these cars and take the flex out of them by going unibody and away from the separate body on frame.
Tony talking about them wanting more flex in the car was complete and utter hogwash. Especially with chrysler marketing the unibody as tighter with less flex than a body on frame construction as a selling point. All I can say is that was 4 minutes of my life i wont get back watching that lol.
Ranigirl, build your dart, dont worry about the subframe connectors being in there. Car is much better off with em in there.
my68barracuda
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For those that say ‘What is he smoking Tony’ provides good information,, I want to know more about those spot welds that get work hardened after sub frame connectors are installed.
Walk me through the physics of how a spot weld, that is already harder than the surrounding material gets ‘work hardned’ by removing flex.
Walk me through the physics of how a spot weld, that is already harder than the surrounding material gets ‘work hardned’ by removing flex.
moparmat2000
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Your joking right?
I wonder if maybe he's talking about metal fatigue from the flex. Since the spot welds are already harder....and they are.......good point........maybe he means they get metal fatigue from having to carry more load from the added connectors? I know......I'm reaching here but that's all I can think of.
moparmat2000
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Brother dont reach too far on this. Watching that video I started laughing at the absurdity of it, shot beer out of my nose. Ya know that **** burns coming out your nose too right? Then watched the next video he had on barracuda fast backs. The white one looked pretty nice to me. Some non stock **** easily reversed to stock if needed. I wouldent kick either car outta my garage but that's just me. He's a purist everything's gotta be as chrysler built it. And that's ok. But talking about wanting more flex in the body than less, that's the part when the beer went thru my nose. Ya that **** really burns dontcha know lol.
Limits are for wimps.
I see a Speed Limit sign and consider it to be the MINIMUM speed !
The post isn't about disrespecting Tony, its identifying his information for what it is. With no disrespect, it's BS, it's from a person talking beyond his knowledge base, let's be honest.
How many of those miles were logged in bone stock vehicles running bias ply’s, just as the factory intended?
No one here is arguing that these cars will fall apart or are dangerous without subframe connectors. They’re beneficial, not absolutely mandatory.
Tony, on the other hand, is advocating that you should cut out subframe connectors if your car already has them, they’re that bad. He is out of his depth.
He’s just wrong Rob. I don’t know what he’s thinking or what his motivations are. But he’s completely *** backwards on this.
Exactly. I’m sure Tony is a wealth of knowledge on other topics. But on this one, he’s completely off base. It’s not an attack on him, he’s just wrong.
famous bob
mopar misfit
I agree w/ ur post, had to laugh at the nose beer tho.
A youtube channel and endless supply of smokes.
Awesome.
Awesome.
I was trying to be nice. lol
If you go look up here on FABO, discussions of how to build sub frame connectors, or just buy them, or even why, I bet there are a millions posts and arguments on the sbject, just like this has made 6 pages already!!!!
I like Uncle Tony, he had balls to leave the New England and move to the heart of Redneck land, Tenn!!!lol
I like Uncle Tony, he had balls to leave the New England and move to the heart of Redneck land, Tenn!!!lol
Also met Tony few years ago for a parts deal in Nashville. Knowledgeable. Great guy. Period.
However, anything you can do to improve the structure of the unibody, a plus.
Anyone running fenderwell headers (BB) and cracked their windshield will understand....lol
However, anything you can do to improve the structure of the unibody, a plus.
Anyone running fenderwell headers (BB) and cracked their windshield will understand....lol
I had to skip from page 2 to 6,....and I haven't watched the vid,....but if one stiffens only one part of a structure, there can be a proportionate increase in the flex of the rest of the structure with the same applied load....the "only as strong as the weakest link" law. However, My buddy's 340 dart 4spd started kinking the quarters just below the C pillars with only narrow cheater slicks, and for the lift from the rear loads, which can easily be applied with modern rubber,...streetable or not, the rails need tied......and like Tony, I've been around too,.....and seen a lot of sub-par/sh!tty pinch/spot welds in My time..................
TrailBeast
AKA Mopars4us on Youtube
I had an actual electrician tell me that water doesn't conduct electricity but just the metal pipes it runs through.
Uhh huh, hold this wire.
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