Holley's science vs Edelbrock simplicity?

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Is it me or is anybody else seeing a theme here where the Holley users are very very defensive about their carburetors and most Edelbrock guys have used holleys and could go either way but prefer a simple Edelbrock??...

I’d be the latter end carb user. While I lack experience on the upper level Holley carbs, the Edelbrock units are pretty damn good for the street and street strip engines I’m mostly in.

I think the big rift between the two brand’s mostly end with user skill or preference, the biggest follies occur when people rip others for not making the Holley choice for what they see as not maximizing there HP potential. Which in itself is a joke. Why? you ask!

There is no such thing. No matter the choice you make for YOUR build, there is always some clown to rip your choice up with the words, “But you could have made more power by.....” and the internet zero now stands in front of you spilling his wisdom of what makes more power over what you chose and why your stupid in choosing that part, no matter the part.

The thing with the Carter/Edelbrock carb is there street carbs, AKA OE based designs with minor enhancements. To compare this design against a race design is stupid. And so is putting a high dollar race carb on your street bound machine. But if that’s your choice, I’ll not rip you on it.

The Carter design has its short comings for big power just like a Holley can.

WHAT?!?! Did he just say that?!?!

Yes and wonder for a second why?

When your comparing the same duty designed carbs, this will only include the Holley’s that cake stock on mass production vehicles. So is a 3310 really suited for strip duty on a 500 inch pro stock mill?

No, that’s where the race carb comes in. Enter the well suited race Holley. Where tuning a one can be a bear to the new guy.

The speedtalk thread on the. After/Edelbrock short comings and oddities has been known for a long time but not really written about or investigated much because at the level of performance sought, it should be a Holley on top. Not many people are willing to experiment with a carb that is labeled (and believed to be) as inferior. Even more so when the other carb is tried and true with decades of experimentation and alteration/customization parts available.
 
OK carb guru, LOL how would you sort out my Carter problem on my old combo.
I know you said this to J par and since it is a past tense engine combo long gone, it no longer really matters.
I would have liked to take a stab at it. But I would need it in front of me for hands on.

Do you remember your vacuum readings?
 
I know you said this to J par and since it is a past tense engine combo long gone, it no longer really matters.
I would have liked to take a stab at it. But I would need it in front of me for hands on.

Do you remember your vacuum readings?
6 -7 " in gear as I recall. Take a stab at it, I always wondered, the AFB did fine on the upper end, no problem.
9000 series 750 cfm
 
Several years ago I tested an Edelbrock step-up spring set assortment, here's what I found...
1st number is spring load in grams @ piston up spring length of 1.125"
2nd number is spring load in grams @ piston down spring length of .843"
"plain 8"- 130/320
"pink 7"- 200/320
"orange 5"- 105/215
"yellow 4"- 48/170
"blue 3"- 10/160
OEM in the Edelbrock I was working on at the time- 95/208
Maybe i'm colorblind, but it looked to me like the pink and plain spring ratings were mixed up.

Grant
 
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Does anybody here use predator or kendig carbs? I had a predator on a 360 smallbock that I put in an old 62 Ford pickup of all things, when I was a teenager. A friend used 2 on a tunnel rammed sbc in his nova. The good old days..........

I eventually went to a holley on the truck.
 
So have any of you Carter guys ever seen one of these?
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Now that’s some interesting stuff. I’ve never seen that before. Pretty cool dude!
 
What is that? An old fashioned nitrous plate? Or a massive fuel dumper? Activate a second fuel pump when the pedal goes to the floor...
 
It's to the point now that EFI will make it all outdated. Carbs are a great choice for me, and yes, decades of experience, fast cars, yada yada yada. But for the vast number of newer (or older) enthusiasts the EFI kits will become the "goto" induction. It's a stupid debate at this point, really. If one understands how it all works, one will make the choice that best suits the need.
 
It's to the point now that EFI will make it all outdated. Carbs are a great choice for me, and yes, decades of experience, fast cars, yada yada yada. But for the vast number of newer (or older) enthusiasts the EFI kits will become the "goto" induction. It's a stupid debate at this point, really. If one understands how it all works, one will make the choice that best suits the need.
If you go back to the beginning you can see where this was just started to stir up the bee's that's all LOL....
 
I find it's easier to get races when I show them my "Edelbrock 600 racing carb". It's backed up with a system that uses a ported small body nitrous solenoid as the jet, doesn't seem to matter much that the carb is "too small" :)

Grant
I'd love to see a thread on this little system?
 
Battled with a holley (worn out)
For about 3 hours. Sropped on an edelbrock and in 10 minutes it was running consistently.
Not saying whats better,if i had parts to bring the holley back to decent shape it would still be useable. Just not by me.
 
If it had no been for bad throttle shaft on my TQ I would still be using it. When threw several AFB and AVS. Gave op on the brand when I inStall my buddy 6160 Holley.
(Factory installed Holley )
Found one of my own 6160. And that, started the love of the Holley design. Never looked back.
 
I'd love to see a thread on this little system?

Here's a link to the car's webpage, there's a pic on there showing innocent looking small body solenoids threaded directly into the nitrous plate. I also dropped the air cleaner base to the point that the solenoids are not visible with the air cleaner in place, so I usually just pull the top of the air cleaner when showing someone the car actually does run a little Carter/Edelbrock. Most usually don't even notice the partially un-zipped gym bag behind the pass seat with the valve sticking out.

http://grannys.tripod.com/20102.html

I've had a few nitrous backfires, one that torched the edges of the Eddy's throttle plates and melted the skirts off the boosters. Drove it home 85mi with the idle screw backed all the way out and a 2500 idle speed.

I've also got a crossbar set up as two systems, but it doesn't fly under the radar very well.

Grant
 
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