So what's this '71 Demon worth?

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As I noted in my other thread, I'm looking at a '71 Dodge Demon to add to my Mopar Garage. I'm much more knowledgeable on the E Body cars than the A Bodies, so I'm hoping you guys can help me out.

So, as mentioned in my other thread, this an original 6-cylinder car that's been turned into a 340 clone. It has the dual hood scoops, the wing on the back. It has a black vinyl top, rallye wheels. It's yellow with the black stripe down the sides.

It has a black interior, column shift, etc.

Even though it's badged as a 340 car, it actually has a 318 under the hood (however the guy is throwing in a "freshened" 340 that came out of a Demon in the deal)

Also, it has new dual exhaust, a "new" 3.91 sure grip rear end, 8 3/4 rearend that also supposedly came out of a Demon.

The interior is clean.

I'll try to post some pics later, but for the sake of the discussion let's make a few assumptions.

The interior has no tears in the seats, cracks in the dash, tears in the headliner, etc. Carpet is in good shape, etc.

The exterior is solid, no rust, solid wheel wells, quarters, the floorpans are solid, no rust underneath, etc.

The paint is solid, it looks "pretty good" but definitely not great. I would be looking to paint it anyway.

The guy is asking $15,000, however when I value this on NADA it comes in at around $12,500 (far less on Hagerty, but I usually find that Hagerty always low-balls).

I realize you guys would be offering very rough approximations given there are no pictures, but I'd rather have that from people who are very familiar with these cars.

Thanks!!
 
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I paid $6000 for this. 318. Nothing fancy for options. 1972 Dart.

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I paid $6000 for this. 318. Nothing fancy for options. 1972 Dart.

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Wow, great looking Dart! That would be a Swinger correct? Was it a Dart Swinger in 1972 or was that in '73 when the Demon became the Dart Sport?

In any event, I'm not sure how prices compare vs. Darts and Demons, etc.

$6000 seems like a heckuva deal for that though.
 
Demons seem to bring a little more than a Duster. A slant car done to be a 340 car is a clone. I figure a clone is a car with the sum of parts and whatever the work done in labor is worth, from NOTHING when I do it to $100 an hr when Gas Monkey does it. Or is it $500 an hr for Gas Monkey!!!!
It can be hard to value our old cars as when someone sells a nice one, hardly ever is the actual selling price discussed.
Car value is like R/E.. all about location and all about quality.
You said you know your E bodies, so you can check out the work done.
I will say this, there are a ton of A bodies out there. A lot. A body guys in general are way conservative bunch. A real 70-1 340 Demon has a higher value than a tribute. for sure. Question is how many $$??? I dunno;
If it is a nice car needing NOTHING, except changing out engines I would guess between $7 and $10,000.
Hagerty always values my driver cars at twice what I would sell for!!!!!
 
If it's turnkey and drive away, without seeing pictures I would go maybe 10 to 12k, assuming the 340 is ready to go too, never get the value of a real deal 340 car out of a clone.
 
If it's turnkey and drive away, without seeing pictures I would go maybe 10 to 12k, assuming the 340 is ready to go too, never get the value of a real deal 340 car out of a clone.

Thanks guys, a few pics, unfortunately not good lighting. What I'm getting here is that $15,000 is at least a few thousand too much.

I thought about offering $13,000, but now I'm thinking less (assuming the condition is as I mentioned above)

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Thanks guys, a few pics, unfortunately not good lighting. What I'm getting here is that $15,000 is at least a few thousand too much.

I thought about offering $13,000, but now I'm thinking less (assuming the condition is as I mentioned above)

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It's a decent looking car from the pictures, but at the end of the day, you are the only one that can see it's flaws and it's positives, and you are the one that has to decide what it's worth to you. As you mentioned, the structure appears to be solid on all counts, the Diff has been rebuilt, does the seller have receipts to prove what they claim has been done? Are you comfortable doing some or all of any mechanical work that it may need done or that you may want to do? Can you do the engine swap to put the 340 in? You mentioned that the paint was ok, but that you would be looking to paint it, expect to spend 5k for a good paint job, more if you are planning a color change, and of course less if you are capable or know someone who will give you a good deal.
 
Thanks guys, a few pics, unfortunately not good lighting. What I'm getting here is that $15,000 is at least a few thousand too much.

I thought about offering $13,000, but now I'm thinking less (assuming the condition is as I mentioned above)

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shitty *** pictures. can't really tell anything with them. looks shinny. its worth 8000 to 15,000 depending how it looks in person.
 
guys will tell you that 15k is too much but if they were selling they would be asking that... that being said 15K is a asking price. sure he has a lower number that he would take in mind. the off season is coming so if he wants to get rid of it he may take less then you think or he will have to sit on it till spring... offer 10K and then meet in the middle somewhere..
 
Like said, add up what YOU will have to spend on it to be happy. Add that to your buying price and offer. That is how I figure a car whether it is a project or a "done" car by someone else's standards. Little thins are expected, but a repaint by shop is huge!!!!!
I still say, anything the seller gets over the price of scrap is salesmanship!!!!!
 
Thanks for all the replies..

Joe, I agree the pictures are just about worthless...FWIW they were sent to me, I did not take them, I just wanted to give you guys something to look at.

To clarify, I'm not yet looked at the car, I just wanted you guys to make the assumptions on condition in order to help you approximate what it's worth.

As I mentioned earlier, my starting point would be thousands less than what he is asking, but until I see it up close and in the bright light, until I can take a magnet to it, check for bondo, inspect the underside, etc...I just don't know. I will have it painted, and it would be a different color (blue). I actually envision this, depending on prices of course (it was a Demon featured in Street Muscle magazine...I love the color.

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You know the can of worms body work can present unless you have a shop dedicated to you. When I am doing one of my cars and I wish to sell it off, I hate to do the final color as the buyer that eventually comes along will no doubt want something different!! Same way with wheels, tires, etc. So I just do my cars as I want and when I sell one, whatever!!!!!!
Sometimes it is better to wait for the right car and pay more maybe. Time and parts add up!!
 
You know the can of worms body work can present unless you have a shop dedicated to you. When I am doing one of my cars and I wish to sell it off, I hate to do the final color as the buyer that eventually comes along will no doubt want something different!! Same way with wheels, tires, etc. So I just do my cars as I want and when I sell one, whatever!!!!!!
Sometimes it is better to wait for the right car and pay more maybe. Time and parts add up!!

Barbee, I agree, a lot of this is going to depend on what the car actually looks like inside and out. IF, I repeat IF, really the only thing I will need to do with this car is paint it, and I can get it for the right price, then I'm going to jump on it.

Someone asked earlier about what I could do to the car...well anything that's not body work basically, so that will help, but the body/paint stuff I leave to the experts.

When I buy a car, I buy it for me, and any changes I make to it are for me, nobody else. I've done a few things to my '74 Challenger with me in mind, not what a potential buyer would think/want...honestly I'll part with my car(s) when I'm no longer walking this Earth..lol Here is a pic of my Challenger, and I don't care if others don't care for it, and FWIW I get a LOT of compliments.

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Give a look at what real 340 Demons are going for in similar condition. Real, numbers cars. I'm "GUESSING" you could get "one of those" in the 20-25K range. What you're talking about here is a slant six car. Always has been. Always will be. THAT cannot be changed. Physically, yes, but the car was born a slant six car and that's what it is. PERIOD. So that must be taken into consideration thinking about price. "I" personally think 15K is overboard. By how much, I would need to inspect the car to know for sure and so should you.
 
I started out with E bodies way back in the 80's and I love your car and color. I am glad to see the 72-4 E's get attention they deserve.

I have said this many times, buy what makes YOU happy and screw other people's opinion. Just measure your pleasure with smiles per mile and happiness per $ spent.
 
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