73 Duster

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You do realize the Mopar small block is based on a Chevy small-block correct?.. Chevy was first...
Don't care i run a big block, sooo tired of chevys they are everywhere around here..though a lot of chevy guys are converting to mopars.
 
I have all the time I need, I am retired and have quite a bit of fab skills as have been working/building different brand cars since the early 60's. I have been around for a while, and one thing I always think about is why do what everyone else is doing, doing something different is always a challenge and I enjoy the challenge.

Having owned several 5.0 Fox Body Mustangs, I am familiar with them, and the performance potential of the sbf, would be interested in following a build thread.
 
I think we have every chevelle ss ever made in my town.

I swear I saw nearly every 66 to 69 Chevelle and Camaro made when I went long haul on the Hot Rod Power Tour in 2005, started in Milwaukee Wi. and ended in Kissimmee Fla. About the best vacation I've ever had in my life. Big Daddy Garlit's place in Ocala was one of the best stops.
 
Having owned several 5.0 Fox Body Mustangs, I am familiar with them, and the performance potential of the sbf, would be interested in following a build thread.
I have a customer that I'm going to help tomorrow that I've been working with for some time and he has a 69 Ford Torino style wagon.. he has a 4-speed setup with hydraulic clutch and what he said was a built 302 out of a Mustang. From my Mopar experience I know having something that huge with a small block is not optimal.. my problem is I don't have enough cross reference to know what to recommend as far as an easy build big block which in my opinion I think you should have. I can only imagine that the 302 Edelbrock head small block that he has is cammed for a Mustang.. not half of a German tank... Any recommendations or thoughts would be welcome on that without completely hijacking this thread.
And as far as putting a ford in a Mopar I was not nay saying at all I was definitely offering what I thought would have been a little bit more budget-minded just staying with the Mopar but I'm watching...
 
I have a customer that I'm going to help tomorrow that I've been working with for some time and he has a 69 Ford Torino style wagon.. he has a 4-speed setup with hydraulic clutch and what he said was a built 302 out of a Mustang. From my Mopar experience I know having something that huge with a small block is not optimal.. my problem is I don't have enough cross reference to know what to recommend as far as an easy build big block which in my opinion I think you should have. I can only imagine that the 302 Edelbrock head small block that he has is cammed for a Mustang.. not half of a German tank... Any recommendations or thoughts would be welcome on that without completely hijacking this thread.
And as far as putting a ford in a Mopar I was not nay saying at all I was definitely offering what I thought would have been a little bit more budget-minded just staying with the Mopar but I'm watching...

A 351 Windsor has very similar dimensions to a 302, heads are interchangeable, but intake is not as the 351 has a 9.5 inch deck height versus the 302's 9 inch. Same mounts and bellhousing also, and of course with more cubes you get more torque and HP potential. I have had dozens of small block Fords over the years and always found them to be a good motor. In fact I had a 68 Fairlane when I was 16, with a 289 auto that was a decent runner, only real mods were headers, still had a 2 bbl carb.
 
A 351 Windsor has very similar dimensions to a 302, heads are interchangeable, but intake is not as the 351 has a 9.5 inch deck height versus the 302's 9 inch. Same mounts and bellhousing also, and of course with more cubes you get more torque and HP potential. I have had dozens of small block Fords over the years and always found them to be a good motor. In fact I had a 68 Fairlane when I was 16, with a 289 auto that was a decent runner, only real mods were headers, still had a 2 bbl carb.
Yeah I'm not in any doubt that the motor is potent and full of potential, but again this wagon is very heavy. The freaking glove box door alone could make three Priuses..
The problem is LOL and this could be a problem LOL I gave my customer a ride one day in my duster with the dual quad stroker for Speed.. needless to say he damn near crapped his pants when I forwarded it in first and grab second..
The only way I can imagine even getting close to that kind of feeling with that big old station wagon is some kind of stroked 460 or something...???. Again I just don't know what kind of massive horsepower torque motor to start with???
Ford wise that is...
 
A 351 Cleveland is another option, but the Windsor is a more common motor, produced until 1996, I'd think a 429/460 would be a fairly tight fit, and can be pretty costly to build. 390/428 would be harder to find, and likely very expensive to build. The 351W was available in the 69 Torino/Fairlane line in 1969, another reason I would give serious consideration that motor.
 
A 351 Cleveland is another option, but the Windsor is a more common motor, produced until 1996, I'd think a 429/460 would be a fairly tight fit, and can be pretty costly to build. 390/428 would be harder to find, and likely very expensive to build. The 351W was available in the 69 Torino/Fairlane line in 1969, another reason I would give serious consideration that motor.
Eh one of the mods will fix it, not like there's Ford small block into a Duster sub-forum.

Just don't trivialize the fabrication work that will have to be done. It all seems pretty easy until the transmission hits the tunnel, the drivetrain angle is wrong and the torsion bars hit the pipes. And no one has a solution because you're the first one to do it. Also, if you're used to other musclecar platforms remember that with the torsion bar suspension the transmission crossmember isn't just along for the ride, that upper crossmember section carries all the suspension load too. So you have to do a good job, not just take a hot wrench to it until it clears and call it good. That's a great way to turn your car into a pretzel with torsion bars.

There are a couple of pretty detailed threads on swapping in a 200r4, I would wager the Ford AOD swap would be similar. Just food for thought. US Cartool makes that crossmember too.

Will GM 200r4 work with factory floor shift location?

I'm not saying don't do it, but you can get running 318's for darn near nothing. Same for small block 904's. Heck I've got a small block 904 that I ran around for awhile, shifts decent and has a deep pan on it. Couldn't sell it for $100 at the swap meets. For the kind of time it will take to do the swap right, you can probably find a decent running 318/904 combo for less time and money.
You disagreed with me but no explanation? I wonder why they're so similar?.. not arguing just learning..
 
You do realize the Mopar small block is based on a Chevy small-block correct?.. Chevy was first...

The hell?

The LA’s were based on the A series poly’s (Lightened A), and the A series was based directly on the early Hemi’s. Which started in 1951, 3 years before that mouse motor.
 
You do realize the Mopar small block is based on a Chevy small-block correct?.. Chevy was first...

oh yeah I'm just seeing all the similarities like 8 pistons, 8 rods, 2 heads, 2 valve covers and an oil pan.
 
With hooking up all the linkages and stuff, I think it’d be more work then you think. At least with the 318, you know everything already fits and works like its supposed to.
 
If that is what you have and can afford go for it. Your still keeping and driving your Mopar. Just don't open the hood at a Mopar show or you'll lose friends. My Nephew had a Carburetor 5.0 fox body. It surprised the crap out of me. 13.20 with gears and a driveshaft. my son went 13.46 with a 380hp 360 crate in a Duster. My nephew was all smiles and his hat didn't fit anymore. LOL
 
If that is what you have and can afford go for it. Your still keeping and driving your Mopar. Just don't open the hood at a Mopar show or you'll lose friends. My Nephew had a Carburetor 5.0 fox body. It surprised the crap out of me. 13.20 with gears and a driveshaft. my son went 13.46 with a 380hp 360 crate in a Duster. My nephew was all smiles and his hat didn't fit anymore. LOL
Because a fox body weights next to nothing
 
I agree go practice your blasphemy elsewhere.

I wouldn't put a mopar motor in a ford either, and I do own fords as well not to mention one chivvy.
There's an option up in the top right here to just ignore this thread... Then just ask people not to quote you and it won't bring you back to it..
 
A 351 Cleveland is another option
not if you take into consideration that he has the 302 already

With hooking up all the linkages and stuff, I think it’d be more work then you think. At least with the 318, you know everything already fits and works like its supposed to.

what linkage is that?
its a ford so the kick down linkage can be deleted
shift linkage can be as simple as putting in a ratchet shitfer
and throttle is just a cable
 
Distributor is in the front on the 5.0 . so you can put those motors under the dash if you want. LOL
It was a comparison between the Chevy small-block and the Mopar small block. I'm well aware that Ford is upfront thank you...
 
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