Faceplated 833 4 Speed
I faceplated my Ford Toploader using Liberty TKO parts, also faceplated 3rd gear in a Saginaw using Liberty TKO faceplate parts as well. I have a lathe so machining the gears for adding the Liberty dog rings was no problem, then used a MIG to weld the rings to the gears. Last time I bought TKO dog rings from Liberty they were $65/ea.
Liberty's TKO faceplate slider was a direct replacement for my Toploader's 3/4 slider. The design is very similar to the 833's 3/4 slider, the dog toothed Liberty TKO sliders were $100/ea.
Here's a pic of the Liberty TKO faceplate style dog ring and slider...
Three dog rings and two 3/4 faceplate sliders cost me a little over $400 including shipping.
The Toploader's 1/2 slider is similar to the 833 1/2 slider in that it also has external gear teeth that are used for reverse. I chose to modify my stock Toploader 1/2 slider by cutting apart one of Liberty's 3/4 sliders, then narrowing the stock 1/2 slider's outer gear teeth so that I could MIG on a ring of Liberty dog teeth. I retained the stock synchro on 1st gear, as it's for a street/strip car.
Here's a pic of the stock Toploader 1/2 slider with one piece of the cut apart Liberty slider resting on top...
Here's a pic of the same slider after narrowing the gear teeth to make room for the weld, MIG welding the ring to the slider, and then machining the inner teeth from the ring...
Here's a pic of the assembled Toploader with synchro'd 1st gear, faceplated 2/3/4...
I should add that when Liberty faceplates a TKO or Toploader the slider has to move quite a distance between the gears. Below is a pic of a Toploader modified by Liberty, notice how far the slider has to travel between the 3rd and 4th gears compared to mine pictured above...
Here's a pic of the Saginaw gearset I did with the faceplated 3rd gear using those same TKO faceplate parts...
This Saginaw was originally for the 1/8mi with 1st gear synchro'd, 2nd and 3rd gears had brass teeth removed and every other engagement tooth also removed to widen the engagement window. 4th gear still had a stock synchro. That worked ok, but I had a problem with 3rd gear burring over about once a month and causing missed 3rd gears. Installing the faceplate parts on 3rd eliminated that problem. Didn't bother to modify 4th as the car was still in 3rd at the end of an 1/8mi pass.
Grant
I faceplated my Ford Toploader using Liberty TKO parts, also faceplated 3rd gear in a Saginaw using Liberty TKO faceplate parts as well. I have a lathe so machining the gears for adding the Liberty dog rings was no problem, then used a MIG to weld the rings to the gears. Last time I bought TKO dog rings from Liberty they were $65/ea.
Liberty's TKO faceplate slider was a direct replacement for my Toploader's 3/4 slider. The design is very similar to the 833's 3/4 slider, the dog toothed Liberty TKO sliders were $100/ea.
Here's a pic of the Liberty TKO faceplate style dog ring and slider...
Three dog rings and two 3/4 faceplate sliders cost me a little over $400 including shipping.
The Toploader's 1/2 slider is similar to the 833 1/2 slider in that it also has external gear teeth that are used for reverse. I chose to modify my stock Toploader 1/2 slider by cutting apart one of Liberty's 3/4 sliders, then narrowing the stock 1/2 slider's outer gear teeth so that I could MIG on a ring of Liberty dog teeth. I retained the stock synchro on 1st gear, as it's for a street/strip car.
Here's a pic of the stock Toploader 1/2 slider with one piece of the cut apart Liberty slider resting on top...
Here's a pic of the same slider after narrowing the gear teeth to make room for the weld, MIG welding the ring to the slider, and then machining the inner teeth from the ring...
Here's a pic of the assembled Toploader with synchro'd 1st gear, faceplated 2/3/4...
I should add that when Liberty faceplates a TKO or Toploader the slider has to move quite a distance between the gears. Below is a pic of a Toploader modified by Liberty, notice how far the slider has to travel between the 3rd and 4th gears compared to mine pictured above...
Here's a pic of the Saginaw gearset I did with the faceplated 3rd gear using those same TKO faceplate parts...
This Saginaw was originally for the 1/8mi with 1st gear synchro'd, 2nd and 3rd gears had brass teeth removed and every other engagement tooth also removed to widen the engagement window. 4th gear still had a stock synchro. That worked ok, but I had a problem with 3rd gear burring over about once a month and causing missed 3rd gears. Installing the faceplate parts on 3rd eliminated that problem. Didn't bother to modify 4th as the car was still in 3rd at the end of an 1/8mi pass.
Grant
