1973 Dart H Code value

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OK, then I would value the engine and trans separate from the car. 340's are not cheap, year, condition, complete etc, changes pricing. 4spds also have a number. Bell housing and clutch too. I would look at the value of those aside from the car and then make a reasonable offer. You will not lose money on a 340 and a 4spd if you pay fairly for it.
 
gdrill said:
OK, then I would value the engine and trans separate from the car. 340's are not cheap, year, condition, complete etc, changes pricing. 4spds also have a number. Bell housing and clutch too. I would look at the value of those aside from the car and then make a reasonable offer. You will not lose money on a 340 and a 4spd if you pay fairly for it.
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Haven’t checked tranny numbers, but no indication they are VIN matching. Fairly meaning? I just don’t know what that drive train is worth. Motor was tore down for rebuild, it’s all there and some is components are even new, but still, not assembled and running.
So packaged price for car, mtr, trans? $2k to much? Roof is hammered, but rest is pretty solid...
 
Some will tell you they can buy blah, blah, blah, for xxxcheapxxx. Go to the classifieds here and see what guys are asking for 340's and 4 speeds. That will give you an idea. I know a guy "up here" with a 73 340 with a 727 trans. Stored full of oil for years, but still will need rebuilt no doubt. It will not go for less than $1000 for sure. He is asking $1500. Canadian. Now I'm not familiar with 4 speeds, but I sure couldn't see getting one for any less than $500. Couple that with a 340 and for sure it has to be worth $1000-1500 minimum. USD. Like I said, check the classifieds. If I could get that car with a decent 340 4 speed here for $2000, I'd be pretty happy. Like you, I'm not afraid of the rust either. I could be wrong, I don't know 4 speed values, but 340's demand X dollars.
 
I’ve got a great relationship with this fellow, he’s older (70?) and he keeps saying he wants me to be the guy to take it, but I’m not into just giving money away either. If it’s worth it, great! But worried if it really is since numbers don’t match. But a 340 4 speed? With the torque boxes? If nothing else the car is just cool! I want it just out of principle, it’s a 4 speed hot rod, well could be. But now, I’m starting to think $2k may be a good buy.....it needs the love for sure, but yeah, I’m not worried about the rust....
 
Most of the 340's that come up for sale have been bored out to limits, these are also 50 year old blocks, that all check out GOOD. I have owned many muscle variety mopar over the decades, I bet 5% still have their # drivetrain. That does not make the other 95 % worthless just worth some less.
Nothing in our hobby is cheap especially machine shop work, parts all mount up. What I think is a fair deal sitting back in Missouri and here in Texas can be somewhat different. Prices and values differ in all pats of the country.
These days I doubt you will fin a good 340 rebuildable for anywhere les than $1000,and a GOOD one complete is well worth $1500 to most people I bet. 4 speeds, I have several I picked up for less than $500 and I would not sell one today for less than $500 . If I gave $400 for it and drove 2 hrs to get it and ley it go for $500. That is not me getting rich nor me selling, and screwing someone either.
When we buy any car or part, what only shold matter to the buyer is HE HAPPY with what he bought and what he paid. Who is to ay what anything is worth???
 
I agree Barbee. I think your point proves valid in that to anyone else, and I am confident when I say ANYONE else, a car with a rusted out roof, and a “motor and transmission that goes with it”, couldn’t be worth much if anything. An A body? Maybe it’s worth a little something. But for me, and I can not begin to tell you why, but this silly car is beginning to have more and more value. I think it’s because the car is in really good shape outside of the roof. Or maybe it’s because I’m ready to start sleeping again instead of thinking about this project all hours of the night. Maybe?

Truthfully, I think the attraction is simply, the overall condition of the car, and the fact it’s a 340 4 speed.

IMO, 4 speed bigger (physical size) cars epitomizes 70’s muscle cars. My brother had a early 70’s Grand Torino in the late 70’s, had wide back tires, was “jacked up in the back with mags”, and that damn thing was the coolest car I had ever seen! To find a 340 like this one, while they are out there, finding one somewhat local and relatively in tact, not an easy feat.....
 
I always have felt 4 speed cars are worth MORE, how much?? I figure at least the cost of the parts for it to be a 4 speed car! Decades ago, good muscles cars were easy to find , cheaper, all parts cheaper to. Add it all up, Doesn't take long to get to $2000!
We develop sentimental value with our cars. That justifies to us the work and $ we spend on them, Granted if we sell, the buyer maybe have none of this sentiment. IF he was buying his old HS ride, then yes he would! The old saying goes, "you make your money when you buy NOT when you sell", pretty well try of everything, Never count on anyone paying you top retail if you sell. But buying "worth the $" is crucial. Then it all gets in to what it takes to get a car to X condition. If you have to pay for the work then you know where you will be,
Best to by the best project you can afford and one you will LOVE, and be happy!!!
 
Haven’t heard the making your money when you buy before, but I would say that pretty well sums it up for sure. In my case, I think the owner is into the car more than it’s worth. But not to him, only to me. But in the end, the car, rusted top (best case that’s the only area), a 340 and 4 speed, to have to build with my sons and grandsons, hell, that’s worth $2k, right? The labor gets real cheap when you start making memories and have proof of your labors for years to come. I’m in.....
 
4 Speed cars are worth more than a comparable auto car.

If you got the car for 2K with a good 340/4gear, it's probably a decent deal. Look for rust in the lower 1/4's in front of the wheels. Probably layers underneath that are rotted along with the floor pans, wheelhouses. Lots of hidden stuff that will pop up when the roof leaks.
 
crackedback said:
4 Speed cars are worth more than a comparable auto car.

If you got the car for 2K with a good 340/4gear, it's probably a decent deal. Look for rust in the lower 1/4's in front of the wheels. Probably layers underneath that are rotted along with the floor pans, wheelhouses. Lots of hidden stuff that will pop up when the roof leaks.
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Yep, already looked. Only place I have found is rear qtr panel, and it’s minimal. Trunk, floor pans, rest of it looks good. But I’m guessing once I peel the roof skin back, there be plenty of new places reveled!
 
At first I was thinking it might be a four figure project buy. But after seeing the roof rust- I wouldn’t go north of $400 for the 340 car. I’d pay more for a solid parts car. That’s a TON of rust work and it goes from top down...
 
moper said:
At first I was thinking it might be a four figure project buy. But after seeing the roof rust- I wouldn’t go north of $400 for the 340 car. I’d pay more for a solid parts car. That’s a TON of rust work and it goes from top down...
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How much for the 340 engine and 4 speed transmission?
 
The engine is gone. Trans is in my opinion unknown core. That and the 8 3/4 are what I’d pay for, and buying and dealing with an entire car means Kim paying less to get them. The body has no value in its current state IMO. This is all from a buyers perspective.
 
Has the engine (Complete), and would probably agree with the trans being viewed as a core for purchase purpose. But you would suggest with the engine and trans included, entire package is worth what? $1500?
 
If the parts car is good enough for ALL the steel you will need, and the 340 is the numbers engine, then I'd say $1500 +/- would be reasonable. Emphasis on ALL the steel. If the roof and structure is gone (and they are) there will be a lot of other metal bad below that... Floors, frame crossmember(s), rockers and connector parts - all would be suspect. Bad roof is bad. Bad = expensive in labor and parts.
 
Floor pans are good, trunk is good. Think this one is simply a victim of the vinyl top gone bad. But yes, parts car has everything needed. The engine is not numbers matching.

So I’m hearing in your opinion the car is a $1k car, mtr and trans included. I have heard some say motor and trans alone are worth $1500. But the value of this thing is all over the place depending on who you ask. My perspective is that I can fix the rust. Not to worried there. And It is a 4 speed, which I haven’t found any locally. So with this being a 4 speed, and an H code to boot, i figured it could be something. If I could find a good 4 speed to put back together, I have an extra 360, just would like a standard, just for the hell of it, but I’m not $3k-$4k interested in having one. $2k is my choke point...
 
UPDATE! I've had the car for a year or so now. Roof has been replaced, has freshly rebuilt 8 1/4 rear with 3.55's, most all the parts have been gathered for re-assembly.

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James Ducato said:
UPDATE! I've had the car for a year or so now. Roof has been replaced, has freshly rebuilt 8 1/4 rear with 3.55's, most all the parts have been gathered for re-assembly.

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Nice!!!

Man that roof looks gnarly. But the rust really looks like it was mostly contained to the roof skin. Man those vinyl tops are awful for a car sitting outside!

looks like you’ve done a good job so far getting it back together! Did you get it from Ronald C or the original seller?
 
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