Subjects Not Taught in School Any Longer

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Common courtesy would be a nice subject to teach.
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Boys and girls would learn to dance in gym class together. One boy / one girl. Very few kids were "confused" back then.
I went to Catholic grade school, public high school... There was a huge difference in the behavior of the kids that went to catholic schools. Why ???.... Fear... To this day I am afraid of nuns.
 
gunbunny said:
When was the last time you were actually in a classroom?
Or is this something you were just told and don't actually have a real clue.
I teach History everyday, I'm there to teach and not to preach. I put the facts out and how a student digests that info is on them.
As for math, there are a lot kids doing advanced math. The need for calculators speeds up that ability to teach these kids this. Gone are the days of a instructor working out a problem on a 12X20 black board for days on end. It's not practical.
As for your assessment of English and Language arts, you're so far off its unreal.
As for proper punctuation, I can tear your post apart as you've made several errors.
Again, this all begins in the home. You're not happy with the the current state of education, take an active role in it. In the end, your children get the education you pay for and are willing to provide.
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gunbunny said:
What the actual **** are you talking about?
Don't go giving me that" my friend says" **** either.
I see history taught in college's on a daily basis.
I have a History degree. None of it was an indoctrination. In fact, the least liberal and most moderate students in a University are generally the history students. We generally see things for what they are, not the slanted view from either side.
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I wasn't even going to chime in here but sense you seem to be an expert on the state of the U.S. education system...…
I have a child in school now and am at the age where "my friends" have children in school and going to college. If you think the students that the public school system is turning out is of the caliber that will carry us into the future you my friend are part of the problem. It is a fact that some, (not all) but some teachers do not have the mental fortitude to manage a grocery store much less educate our children. Kids graduating that cannot balance a check book, write in cursive, any punctuation skills at all exc. I go over every lesson my daughter is given and adjust what we study at home to correct and assist. I have success with this but I have also seen the results of just letting a teacher teach. If you think that a percentage of teachers are not attempting to indoctrinate an entire generation you are sadly mistaken. Have a great Christmas.
 
1995dak said:
I wasn't even going to chime in here but(,) sense (since) you seem to be an expert on the state of the U.S. education system...…(.)
I have a child in school now and (,)(I) am at the age where (,)"my friends" have children in school and going to college. If you think (that) the students (,)that the public school system is (are)turning out is (are)of the caliber that will carry us into the future you (,) my friend are part of the problem. It is a fact that some, (not all) but some teachers do not have the mental fortitude to manage a grocery store much less educate our children. Kids graduating that cannot balance a check book, write in cursive, any punctuation skills at all exc (etc). I go over every lesson (that/with) my daughter is given and adjust what we study at home to correct and assist. I have success with this but(,) I have also seen the results of just letting a teacher teach. If you think that a percentage of teachers are not attempting to indoctrinate an entire generation you are sadly mistaken. Have a great Christmas.
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I fixed your post. I so wish that a strike thru or red text was an option.
If you can't properly compose a post about the quality of education, then you probably shouldn't have chimed in.
I'll be the first to admit that there are some teachers that cannot keep their politics out of the class room. There are an equal number who can't help but to push their religious right beliefs as well. Parents, such as yourself, who cannot compose a sentence without making a grammatical mistake, are as much of a problem. Yet, you're the first to complain when your child comes home with a F.
I don't claim to be an expert on the U.S. educational system, but I have a much better idea than you do. I've actually been in a class room in the past couple of days.
 
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Kodachrome
Simon & Garfunkel
When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder I can think at all
And though my lack of education hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall

Half the stuff that i was taught in school never had any real world significance to begin with.
The Simon & Garfunkel song lyrics hold true.
 
We have this problem at work. As a general rule, we hire only kids that graduated pretty high in their college class. Many of them are some of them smartest most motivated people I have ever seen. However, many of them show up not knowing how to work or complete anything. They spend most of their time on the Internet. They need to be baby sat. Somehow our society has decided that all this is tolerable at home and in the workplace.
 
hemi71x said:
Kodachrome
Simon & Garfunkel
When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder I can think at all
And though my lack of education hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall

Half the stuff that i was taught in school never had any real world significance to begin with.
The Simon & Garfunkel song lyrics hold true.
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I agree 100%

IMO, the curriculum was heavily padded with junk courses so that it would have to take 12 friggen years to go thru it all.
IMO, everything we needed to to know to more than survive in the real world, could have been accomplished by the end of the Eighth grade. The rest was either all fluff, or could easily have been absorbed by an 8th grader.
IMO, those last 4 grades were nothing more than baby-sitting.
None of us wanted to be there past grade nine, and we proved it in every way possible. Most of us had about 50% freetime and guess what we were doing; yeah, getting into trouble. They called us difficult, but we had nearly straight A's. We were out in the cemetery next door, trying our best to figure out where babies come from, and by grade ten, a lot of girls had mysteriously "dropped out and or moved away". And we raced our cars up and down the streets like they were race-tracks. And most of us by grade 10 or 11 were on our second or third part-time jobs, looking for more gas money,tire money, or broke transmission money. By grade 12, I had blown up 3 transmissions 2 engines, one 8.75 rear chunk, wore out a posi, and crashed multiple times; that's what we were learning.
As for history, we didn't care. We learned enough to pass, then promptly swept it out. Same for English literature. Same for everything except Algebra and Trig. The rest was uselesschit and we all "knew it" . To this day, the only thing I have needed past grade 8 is Algebra and Trig
Those last four years shoudda been filled with lifeskills. Like how to be a good husband and father. Never mind chasing the almighty dollar. Never mind the stupid SaT tests, that proved absolutely AJ should go into such and such a field. Horse-pucky. We couldda fudged the answers to be God if He had been on the list. Speaking of which, that's something they shouldda taught . Instead we got evolution,ball-earth, billions of years, there was no flood and the stars are billions of light-years away. From goo to the zoo, to you, total indoctrination.
But now I digress
Budgeting, saving, changing diapers,how to put on a condom yourself.How to stay out of bars, know your limit, don't take the bargirls home. When to bite your tongue wouldda been good. How to not push Daddy's buttons, another great lifeskill. What it means to come home late,late,very late at night, to find your suitcase packed and sitting outside the locked front door. Yeah, that's Dad's way of saying get tfo boy, and don't come home no more.
Instead we read Shakespeare and wrote a summary; whoopee! Yeah that learned me something alrightee, namely how to waste my time.
Four years of wasted time.
I didn't go to college like all my DA friends did. Some of them found out real quick that the things they were studying for, those jobs were never gonna be there when they graduated, and now they were in hock for 2 or 3 years of student loans. Some graduated and waited around for their SAT promised futures. Dutifully campaigning for two years and finally succumbing to flipping burgers.
But I was ahead of the game, having settled into something that fell into my lap. No, I was never gonna be rich, but as I would come to find out over 4 decades later; I was never unemployed. And I never had 7 years of student loans to repay either.
To be fair, one of our clique graduated Agriculture, and is a fat Farmer now with 4 fat farmer sons. Not fat-fat but fat-cat rich fat. God has blessed him beyond measure.
That is what we shouldda learned; how to trust an invisible being that never speaks, never touches us, never do we know where He is; until we sit down,take a break,and look back into our own personal history. Badaboom!
Wait; I think I got a lil offtrack again,lol.
That's Ok probably only a couple of you read this far.
 
Dfr360cuda said:
How could we forget this one......... Drivers Ed
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That one is now motivated by the car insurance companies rather than the schools...take a qualified course and get a discount on insurance for new drivers.

A guaranteed way to get parents to make it happen.
 
gunbunny said:
I fixed your post. I so wish that a strike thru or red text was an option.
If you can't properly compose a post about the quality of education, then you probably shouldn't have chimed in.
I'll be the first to admit that there are some teachers that cannot keep their politics out of the class room. There are an equal number who can't help but to push their religious right beliefs as well. Parents, such as yourself, who cannot compose a sentence without making a grammatical mistake, are as much of a problem. Yet, you're the first to complain when your child comes home with a F.
I don't claim to be an expert on the U.S. educational system, but I have a much better idea than you do. I've actually been in a class room in the past couple of days.
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Lmao. Hey thanks professor you just made my point perfectly. Nowhere in my post did I make the claim of being a literary scholar but you did make a great example of why you should never trust a teacher to just teach. Your biased is so obvious i can see it from here. I agree no teacher should preach their religious or political views to students. Regardless of your personal feelings you should teach and only teach. Your comment about "right" beliefs i assume come from me wishing you Merry Christmas but I am not religious or would i consider myself "right". With that snide little comment though you show your cards. Just pick apart the argument and you make it invalid. Lol you get that from Maddow? I have known a few people in my life who couldn't read but they were juggernauts of men and somehow they wouldn't be worth your time. The welders, electricians, lineman, and all the other working class "ignorant" people you feel like you are somehow superior to. They make you sweet little existence possible. It's our tax dollars that pay your bills. I have yet to have a waitress, cashier, delivery driver exc. Push their views on me or mine. A teacher should be no different. I like what you said about here to teach not preach. The problem is what some teachers teach as facts are sometimes only facts according to them. So please continue to teach and teach well. The next generation needs you, just not your moral compass.
 
the educational media is my pet peeve.
They come right out and say "we don't know",
and then expound 90 minutes of bs, interspersed with the word "fact".
The only fact that was a fact, was that they don't know; and they told us right up front!. Yet by the end of 90 minutes the viewer is fully convinced of the false narrative.
Now where have I read that as prophecy?
Trust no one, and no thing; the lies are ankle deep all across the face of the Earth. Lies by error, lies by omission, and lies by commission.
What they should teach in school is; "How to recognize a lie",
in addition to the ThreeRs, plus lifeskills, the rest should be elective. By age ~13 the kids should have learned everything they need to know to be reasonable facsimiles of their parents, and ready to apprentice. By "graduation age", they should already be productive human beings, like their forefathers.
I'm not saying "they should be good little slaves to the government machine". Which is what the school-system prepares them for; you know; get a job, settle-down, get married, take out a mortgage and pay your taxes bullchit. I'm not saying that at all.That comes down from the mass-error of the government machine, and stems from a debt-based system, which we have been forced to accept, gradually, by 200 to 300 years of supposed democracy, which was nothing of the kind., which is now culminating as obvious.
No, I'm not suggesting to be a part of that system,but we have no choice in it anymore. It's too late to cast it off. The people have been dumbed down too far. There is not enough will amongst us to revolt. And even if we did, it would just be playing into their hands.
So we need to make the best of a bad situation. Out kids need to know how to survive the coming business. This is not going to end well.
And the educational system is just a pawn in the big plan. The plan to make zombies of as many next generationals, until we are all 100% zombies; slaves to the upper echelon of tyrants.
And that is why, it is written; science; falsely so called....... it's a trick...... and a lie.... and in the end; it will kill us all.
 
gunbunny said:
To be fair, these things should be taught by parents and not schools.
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Exactly so! I was going to say a LOT of things mentioned here should be included in what used to be known as HOME TRAINING. THAT RIGHT THERE is a big part of the problem. Nowadays, parents are so flaked out on the internet and everything else, they rely on others to raise their children. That's not the school systems job, yet it has become so. When my son was going to school and I was called for some trouble he was in, I NEVER ONCE automatically took his side on anything, yet, I saw other parents having the attitude their child would never do anything wrong, and everything was the school's/teachers' faults. Ridiculous! Without fail, every single time he got in trouble, it always boiled down to being my son's fault. The faculty loved me because they knew I would never jump to conclusions and act like my child never did any wrong. The family unit today is but a shadow of what it once was.
 
I work in a high school. Last year we had a kid who was very disruptive in class, swearing at the teacher, etc. They took him to the principals office. He told her to F off, and spit in her face.
She graduated him and sent him home.
 
MileHighDart said:
I work in a high school. Last year we had a kid who was very disruptive in class, swearing at the teacher, etc. They took him to the principals office. He told her to F off, and spit in her face.
She graduated him and sent him home.
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...and then they come to work for me.

I manage the cleaning contract at a large textile mill. I have 55 employees and except for two supervisors they are all entry level positions.

Many (not all, but many) of the employees under 35 years old will not work unless a supervisor is directly watching them. They are not ignorant people, they have just never been taught to complete anything. They have zero personal accountability. Most of them will lie to my face. Then expect me to give a second or third chance to keep their job.

Trust me, I live it every day!

As said above, many "life skills" should be taught at home. However, they should be reinforced in school. As also stated above, kids know all they have to do is shout abuse and they get what they want. I deal with that regularly also. Problem employees say to me " I'm recording you" thinking that I'll cave in and let them get away with anything. And I laugh and tell them they are terminated.

I spend a lot of time and effort trying to teach young new employees how to "work". I feel like if I can help them it will stick with them throughout their lives. Once in a while I can, but most of the time I can't and end up terminating them. Discipline in schools would go a long way towards teaching personal accountability.
 
Had a teen-age kid last week come asking for work. Told him to come back Saturday.

Saturday I gave him a paint brush and put him to work. I gave him $100 pesos an hour (about $5.50 USD).

He came back again for the second time yesterday after having picked tomatoes all morning. His hands were stained green. I gave him some GoJo but it would not touch the tomato vine stains. Then he washed twice with powered laundry soap before we gave up and decided it would eventually wear off. He was paid picking tomatoes by "piece work", so much for each bucket/container he picked.

tomato hands:Biological Thinking: Tomato Hands

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I'm so fortunate that when my teachers, professors, parents, etc.. disagreed with me they didn't attack me with profanities!!

It's so unbecoming.

It doesn't help one get their point across and makes one look small.

I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me and responds negatively, even with profanities, that is our right in this great country we live in!

I pray we all have a Blessed and Peaceful New Year
 
MileHighDart said:
I work in a high school. Last year we had a kid who was very disruptive in class, swearing at the teacher, etc. They took him to the principals office. He told her to F off, and spit in her face.
She graduated him and sent him home.
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Rest assured, the parents backed up his actions. "WHERE" do you think he learned it?
 
Danny Boy said:
I'm so fortunate that when my teachers, professors, parents, etc.. disagreed with me they didn't attack me with profanities!!
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Aren't you glad that I didn't.
1995dak said:
It's our tax dollars that pay your bills.
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And this is where you're wrong.
I have, as of yet, aside from my time in the Army, used a nickle of tax dollars to live off of.
But you wanted to complain about the poor quality of education, yet can't compose a simple paragraph. You hold educators to such a high standard, but not your self.
I'm a moderate, I don't push an agenda either way. I just pointed out a fact. That for every left wing thought, there is an equal right wing thought as well. I see both daily.
Those juggernauts of men you mention, imagine how much more they could have been if they could only read or write. I came from those welders, construction workers, those laborers. I'm not superior to anyone, I just know what I know.
 
gunbunny said:
What the actual **** are you talking about?
Don't go giving me that" my friend says" **** either.
I see history taught in college's on a daily basis.
I have a History degree. None of it was an indoctrination. In fact, the least liberal and most moderate students in a University are generally the history students. We generally see things for what they are, not the slanted view from either side.
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See, You just made His point, and that's why history is shunned in college.
 
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