Well, You consider yourself a budget racer. What would you do with 4700 after deducting 300 for a roller.
10.9 is the goal
10's on $5,000 ?
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10.9 is the goal
Oldiron440
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Your going to need every bit of a 440, I think its foolish to give up the difference of a 440 and a 400 or a B or F body and a A body. If your serous about tens for 5K you can't give away power or weight.
Keep in mind, a A-body that's "fitting" for a 10 second pass (in other words, not all rotted out underneath) might kill the budget. If I pay 3k for a decent 4 door A body that's a driver already, ummmm.... yeah, there went the budget. I'm serious enough to have a ton of fun trying to hit 10's on this budget. Again, I don't have a wager on it, nor do I have my pride on the line or anything else. Just a fun time trying!
Well, You consider yourself a budget racer. What would you do with 4700 after deducting 300 for a roller.
10.9 is the goal
Well he already has Speedmaster heads right? Back when we ran high 9’s we over cammed, over carb’d, over geared, lots of convertor, got it as lite as possible. TRW pistons with deepened valve reliefs and mushroom tappet cams made big power. J convertors made everything run better than it should. Super stock springs an track prep 40 years ago was our limiting factor. If Scat I beam rods are available that I would buy over wasted money on stock rods even though stock rods would work. I would beat on stock cranks three years racing 2-3 times a week before I threw them on the scrap pile because they would always show cracks when tested. I ran consistent 10.0’s with a 1050 dominator and ran the same on back to back testing with a Tunnelram. I finally found some ET with it. Two 750 Holley carbs 76 Jets in the summer 78 Jets in the early spring and Fall.
j par
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Now I like that idea!!..
Then I will have to buy a nitrous kit LOL..
Did you get a cheeseburger or a garden burger ? fries ? shake?
Oldiron440
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I don't care how fast your gole is but if your not serious about it your car will not perform. Sometimes your talking about 4000lbs Bbodys, 3800 Mbodys but you keep saying 3000lbs, theres a full second between 4000 and 3000 lbs.
Your talking about 400s instead of 440s and theres a half second between the two. A low compression smog 440 is good for 325 to 350 hp and that's it, you can't make power with less than 8:1 cr.
Theres formulas for going tens and you apparently arnt aware of them.
Your talking about 400s instead of 440s and theres a half second between the two. A low compression smog 440 is good for 325 to 350 hp and that's it, you can't make power with less than 8:1 cr.
Theres formulas for going tens and you apparently arnt aware of them.
3200 # Duster with standard 400 590 cam and performance head mid 11's
stage 1V head, I wouldn't call that a performance head by todays standard.
stage 1V head, I wouldn't call that a performance head by todays standard.
440 is all wrong in many ways, I stick to low deck under 500 cubes.
j par
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Garden burger!??. what's that
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veggie burger. The choice burger for the west side. lolGarden burger!??. what's that
- I have a sawzall, wrenchs, and a pickup truck. We can shed a few pounds... LOL But yep, looking for a cheap driver
- My old friend went mid 9's off a 400 in a Mirada style Cordoba almost 30 years ago.... so ya, 400's can make power. I'll take the cheapest motor/tranny combo that's good deal !
- Formula's for going 10's and I'm not aware??? Now come on, let's not insult each others intelligence!~ This site, thread, and build is for funs!
Oldiron440
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I'm talking stock stroke, rering type of crap that I read earlier. If I was building a stock stroke 13:1cr 915 heads e-85 it would pull 600 + hp.
I don't know how much money they spent but Car Craft did it many years ago with a junkyard 440 and a Dart. They ran out of time to fix the transmission mount right and used two big hose clamps and clamped the transmission to the cross member. Car ran "somewhere" in the 10s. All they did was use bolt ons. Beat the snot out of headers, intake, carburetor, low gears, slicks. It was really a hoot of an article. They couldn't have had much in it at all.
Is this something you personally did?
Oldiron440
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Mopar tested all of there cams on a Duster with a 400 smog motor. I believe that it's in the engine book.
It was a Direct Connection test. 3 mechanical cams.
the test car was a 3200# Duster with 8.5 comp stock piston 400 with D.C headers, stage1V heads, 850 carb, 727 TF , 4.30 gear and 10.5 slick
test results
dur lift cent e.t. mph
284 .529 112 11.69 115.90
296 .557 110 11.55 117.05
312 .590 106 11.45 118.00 each cam was installed 2 degrees less than listed.
baseline was established with 292 .509 hyd 11.77 @114.89
I wish I saw your post before I typed it out.
takes too long to type.
Oldiron440
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I think it's kind of funny how some guys bash those DC books but theres plenty of good information in them.
It worked 50 years ago and it still works today. I don't see a relevance argument, but people sure do it.
The thing is, we can take what we know worked 50 years ago and add just a little modern tech/parts and make a combo a tad quicker.
That's very true.
stixx
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Roadkill's Budget Duster Goes 11s! But Is It Too Cheap? - Hot Rod
Only thing I found, so far. Only went 11.78@115
PRH
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To buy the equivalent converter today that would have been used in those MP cam tests(TA J or 8”)would be about $1000.
$5000 is a very low budget for 10 second Mopar ride.
$5000 is a very low budget for 10 second Mopar ride.
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