EDIS8 Wasted Spark FAST XFI 2.0 Sequential Fuel Injection

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"Dart67"

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I have started on a new project that I hope will work.

I am going to try to convert my FAST XFI Dual Sync Distributor Sequential Fuel Injection system to a EDIS8 Wasted Spark Sequential Fuel Injection system.

I have been having trouble with crank sync errors that I think are being caused by the distributor. My MSD 6AL has also died. I have installed an OLD MSD 6 box in the car now, but I do not trust it.

I am going to try to convert to the Ford EDIS8 wasted spark ignition with a 36 -1 crank trigger wheel.
I hope to run the FAST XFI in the TFI ignition mode for the EDIS8.

I also want to be able to keep my Sequential Fuel Injection, so I am going to add a cam position sensor.

I am using a 2000 Jeep 4.0L Cam Position Synchronizer.

There are adapters on the market, but being the tight a$$ that I am. I decided to find a cheap easy way to make my own.

I started with a Junk aluminum body 383 distributor. I removed the shaft and all the rest of the parts.

Then chucked the base in my metal lathe and cut the upper housing body off.

I then drilled and bored the center to an "snug" fit of the cam position sensor.

Then turned an "O" ring seat in the center.

Next came the hold down for the sensor to distributor base.
I used an old piece of fuel rail and cut, notched and drilled and tapped.

After everything was assembled, the tang on the cam position sensor needed to be shortened about 3/16" to seat correctly.

Here are a few photos of the progress so far.

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The 2000 Jeep 4.0L Camshaft Synchronizer is a World Power Systems CAMS4601 ($33.79) and the connector is a Standard Motor Products S-2099 ($21.99)

Here are a couple of photos of the Camshaft Synchronizer installed in the engine.

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I will add more as I go on this project.

Herb
 
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I got the coil mount laid out and the 2000 Neon coils mounted.
I got the coils off Ebay for $8.18 each brand new.

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I used four pieces of 1/4 x 20 all thread 1/4" stainless steel washers and 1/4" x 1" couplings, and 4 acorn nuts to mount the coils.

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I am going to mount the EDIS8 module and MAP sensor on a similar plate mounted in the same way behind the intake manifold.

More to come....

Herb
 
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I have gotten some more done over the last couple of days.

Here is how I have mounted the EDIS8 Module and the MAP Sensor .

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EDIS8 MAP Mount 2.jpg

EDIS8 MAP Mount 3.jpg
 
I had Kent, wish4hemi have a 36 -1 Trigger Wheel custom made for me.
The wheel has a custom sized center hole to fit over the hub of my March Serpentine Crank Pulley. The hole was purposely cut to 4.34, just a little under size. This allowed me to chuck it up in my metal lathe and finish bore it for a "loose" snug fit on the pulley hub.

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Some time back, I had a March Dual Serpentine Pulley, Crank and Power Steering. Since I do not have power steering, I cut the outside power steering section of the pulley off with a cutoff tool on my metal lathe. I never throw anything away. It may come in handy someday. Well, the cut off pulley section is now a spacer for my trigger wheel. I had to turn a chamfer on the cut off side to fit over the bevel on the back side of the March pulley I am using. It just happened that this section was the correct height for the correct mounting distance for the trigger wheel. I have drilled and tapped three evenly spaced 8 x 32 holes and am using three 8 x 32 x 1 1/8" allen socket bolts to attach the Trigger Wheel to the spacer and pulley from the trigger wheel side.

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March Pulley Trigger Wheel 1.jpg

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More to come in the next couple of days.
 
Great work. I put a 36-1 wheel on my 273 w/ custom bracket for either a Ford (VR) or Mopar (Hall) pickup. I have a Magnum V-8 distributor to use as a cam signal. I found a cam sensor similar to your Jeep one for $1 at a thrift store. Couldn't find what engine it is for. I thought of adapting it for my 383. Thanks for the tips on the BB crank wheel. I didn't see an easy way to put one on my 383 factory damper & pulley. The March pulley is more amendable. My slant is even harder since too tight for even 1/8" thick between the inside pulleys. My 2.4L uses those same coil packs. I also thought of using them for EDIS V-8 since the Ford coil packs are klunky-looking and require special plug wires. I also thought of using EDIS to trigger GM LS coils, w cam signal to select the compression stroke.
 
I am, is this the red convertible I seen in an older post?
Yes,it is.
It was purchased new at Shortmen's Dodge in Topeka. I was told it used to be used in a lot of parades by the original owners.
The car was a slant six when I got it. It has gone through many changes over the last 20 years.
 
Great work.

I also thought of using EDIS to trigger GM LS coils, w cam signal to select the compression stroke.

Thanks Bill.
I am hoping that this will work out. I hope that my FAST XFI will still let me do the SEFI and also the Ford TFI/EDIS ignition.
If so, I have also thought about doing the LS coils. I have seen where you can run two EDIS8 modules to drive 8 individual coils.

Herb
 
Yes,it is.
It was purchased new at Shortmen's Dodge in Topeka. I was told it used to be used in a lot of parades by the original owners.
The car was a slant six when I got it. It has gone through many changes over the last 20 years.
Do you have a picture of it from then you can share? I looked at a red slant six car years ago. If i remember right it was cheap but i wasn't smart enough to scoop it up.
 
Where did you get your cam sensor and is that just a cap covering where the cam sensor goes?
 
Do you have a picture of it from then you can share? I looked at a red slant six car years ago. If i remember right it was cheap but i wasn't smart enough to scoop it up.

This is as close as I can come to a photo of when I bought the car. I think all of my original photos are on another PC that I have in storage or the old fashion paper phots in albums that are in storage.

This photo was taken 9/29/2001 right before I added the AAR Six Pack hood. Other than the tires and wheels and 440 badge the car looks like it did when I bought it on July 4. 1998.
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I bought the car from Kenny Arnold. He lived on on the West side of Perry Lake.

Herb
 
Where did you get your cam sensor and is that just a cap covering where the cam sensor goes?

I got the cam sensor from Rockauto.com
The 2000 Jeep 4.0L Camshaft Synchronizer is a World Power Systems CAMS4601 ($33.79) and the connector is a Standard Motor Products S-2099 ($21.99)

The dark gray cap is an alignment tool to hold the sensor in the correct position when it is installed at 50* BTDC.

Herb
 
Just to bring everyone up to date.. This project came to a stop shortly after my last post.

As built, the engine would start and idle/run fine. As a matter of fact it would start and idle Better then it ever had.
The reason this project came to an end for Me was that the F.A.S.T. XFI 2.0 Software 2.051 would not control the ignition timing through the EDIS8.
The EDIS8 module would let the engine start and run at its "Limp Mode" timing of 10* BTDC but the F.A.S.T. XFI 2.0 would not change the timing.
All of F.A.S.T.'s wiring schematics and installation information still shows the EDIS as an option.
After days of phone calls back and forth to F.A.S.T., I finally found out that when they "Updated" the software to 2.0 from 1.34, all the EDIS functions and control was removed.
The ONLY way to have timing control through the XFI/EDIS was to revert back to the 1.34 software.
Doing this would "lose" the "Self Learning" functions plus a few more.

At this point after months of work and frustration I gave up and just let the car sit for about a year.

During this time I started saving my $$$ for a F.A.S.T. XIM ignition module.

I acquired a F.A.S.T. XIM late last fall and I am in the process of rebuilding my complete
F.A.S.T. system to a Coil Near Plug ignition.

I plan on doing another post soon to document the process.

Herb aka "Dart67"
 
Crap. The company I work for (part time at 71 years old) we build power chairs. The company is transitioning to different electronics packages, one of which is made by the same company that made one of our OLD packages. Yet, even though the upcoming "new" package has some great features, THEY ELIMINATED SOME that would have been desirable, and that were available in the OLD system. AND WORSE YET, the motor cable connectors, which are labeled M1 and M2 for left or right side, ARE OPPOSITE FROM EACH OTHER on the two drive modules. This means WE MUST BUILD TWO SETS OF motor cables which are exactly the same cables EXCEPT FOR THE LABELS!!!
 
Crap. The company I work for (part time at 71 years old) we build power chairs. The company is transitioning to different electronics packages, one of which is made by the same company that made one of our OLD packages. Yet, even though the upcoming "new" package has some great features, THEY ELIMINATED SOME that would have been desirable, and that were available in the OLD system. AND WORSE YET, the motor cable connectors, which are labeled M1 and M2 for left or right side, ARE OPPOSITE FROM EACH OTHER on the two drive modules. This means WE MUST BUILD TWO SETS OF motor cables which are exactly the same cables EXCEPT FOR THE LABELS!!!

Del,
The problem with F.A.S.T. is that they chose not to update their information or remove the EDIS materials and no one in support was aware. It took forever to find the one person who knew these functions had been removed.

They STILL have NOT updated anything.

Herb aka "Dart67"
 
F.A.S.T. is not know to be really user friendly because of software updates. I used to deal with a F.A.S.T. rep who helped many racers with their systems at he track. I've lost contact with them as I went back to NA for my bracket car. I can build & tune many carbs for what it costs to install & tune an aftermarket FI system.
 
F.A.S.T. is not know to be really user friendly because of software updates. I used to deal with a F.A.S.T. rep who helped many racers with their systems at he track. I've lost contact with them as I went back to NA for my bracket car. I can build & tune many carbs for what it costs to install & tune an aftermarket FI system.

You are correct about building the NA cars for far less money..

BUT, I kinda dug a hole for myself with this project and then it was to late to turn back...

The only way I get any decent support from F.A.S.T. is to call and talk with David Page...
 
Very ambitious and impressive. Not something that I would ever do or want to, but it's really cool. I am just a carburetor and distributor kinda guy.
 
I used a OEM slant electronic distributor with all but one of the teeth ground off for my slants CPS. could have done a trigger off the cam gear through the timing chain cover and a welded raised tooth. Could you run a credit card sized 'micro-jolt' ignition system instead of the FAST? EDIS in MS acts just like a distributor: one trigger does it all except it needs a SAW pulse from the FAST to determine advance. Shame.....Wonder if some smart coder could extract the EDIS code from 1.34 and add it to 2.0?

This guy claims it till works under TFI

"The EDIS that was in the menu choice was for the FAST Edis and that was phased out. I know I have used the Ford EDIS on classic, 1.34 and 2.0 ecus using the TFI setup. The signal inputs are the same and should work as long as it is wired like a TFI."
 
"The EDIS that was in the menu choice was for the FAST Edis and that was phased out. I know I have used the Ford EDIS on classic, 1.34 and 2.0 ecus using the TFI setup. The signal inputs are the same and should work as long as it is wired like a TFI."

I had it setup as TFI and it would not work. I am in the process of adding the XIM ignition module and building the harness. I will be using 8 LS coils.
 
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