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And so it goes. This one will spared from the needle. That's great news. And for the next few weeks he will be at the shelter waiting to get fixed and worked over in hopes that he finds someone that wants him. However, if that doesn't work out he's coming home with me....

My rescue of almost 2 years is tight and right. Lots of work, love, and time well spent has made him quite the owner of the house lol. He likes other dogs so we know that no problem. Not 100% sure of the potential new dog (Tyler) but the vet says he is one of the best natured dogs he has had in a long time.

So since a bunch of you are multi-dog owners how did you do it? Just looking for general information and stories. It's all good and as always thanks for everyone taking in the 4 legged buddies...

Oh, did I mention Tyler is from the same area we got Henry? Interesting to say the least. My Henry is on the beach and Tyler is sulking in his Kennel (he has good things happening and just doesn't know it....)

Thanks,
JW

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what we used to do with cats and dogs, is let them duke it out on the first day
let them figure out how the hierarchy works and where every one falls

(thats the same problem we have in society today, parents dont beat their kids when they get out of line, so the grow up thinking they are the alpha dog)

once the hierarchy is established, they will be fine
 
What I have found very effective is to introduce them in a neutral location, and allow them to get used to each other first. Our dogs are very well socialized, they go to an off leash park several times a week, and generally get along with all other dogs with minimal problems. That's not to say that there are never issues, our 3 range in size from about 60 to 105 lbs, and 2 years to 11. They each learned their place in the hierarchy of the pack, and we rarely have had to step in, allowing them to sort things out between themselves. I have had multiple dogs for many years, and have generally done the same thing with all of them, I also fostered dogs for the local SPCA at one time, there have been some minor scraps over the years, but seldom anything needing veterinary attention.
Don't try to force your dog to accept another, or to share food or toys that they are very attached to.
 
We had a Chihuahua and a Lab. After the Chihuahua passed away the Lab started moaning at night. He was missing his buddy! So we went to the SPCA shelter to look. When we found one we liked we took the Lab out to meet them in the field by the shelter. First one was another male Lab. No go. They didn't want any part of each other. We went back again and met "Rock" a pit bull...no go again. Third time we met "Ziggy" another pit bull cross but a smaller and younger male version. They immediately took to each other and loved each other until Leo crossed the rainbow bridge. Just before Leo left us, we picked up a stray off the middle of the road. They do okay together but it's not the same relationship Ziggy and the Lab had.
 
When we adopted Dunham 11 years ago, he was 10 weeks old, we had a 4 year old Rotti/Lab female named Roxie and a 9 year old Lab/German shepherd female named Chelsea. My wife introduced the pup to Roxie first, she wanted nothing to do with him, growled at him and and ignored him. I brought Chelsea in, she was the alpha, and she immediately took him under her wing, shielded him from Roxie, and even growled at Roxie when she bared her teeth. Problem solved right there. Roxie learned to accept Dunham, though she would not interact with him much until he was about a year old. Chelsea would allow him to do almost anything to her, only giving him a little nip when he was too rambunctious or bit her. She had been accepted much the same way by the Malamute/German Shepherd female that I had when I found her abandoned as a 3 month old puppy.
Dunham learned so many things from her in the 5 years they had together before she crossed that bridge, and has passed much of that along to his "siblings" Charlie and Olive. He is the alpha now, and at 11 years old, is still very happy and healthy.
Last year we decided to add Olive to our home, and I took Dunham and Charlie to the SPCA to meet her. We introduce Dunham first, in a play area beside the shelter, he was interested in her, and she was eager to play, but she is far too fast for him to keep up for long. I brought Charlie in, and he was more than willing to run around chasing her, though he too is no match for her speedy nature, she can keep up with a greyhound.
 
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shelter should do a dog meet and greet and see if they can both get along. after that it shouldn't be a big deal. they will feel each other out an one will become alpha.
 
And so it goes. This one will spared from the needle. That's great news. And for the next few weeks he will be at the shelter waiting to get fixed and worked over in hopes that he finds someone that wants him. However, if that doesn't work out he's coming home with me....

My rescue of almost 2 years is tight and right. Lots of work, love, and time well spent has made him quite the owner of the house lol. He likes other dogs so we know that no problem. Not 100% sure of the potential new dog (Tyler) but the vet says he is one of the best natured dogs he has had in a long time.

So since a bunch of you are multi-dog owners how did you do it? Just looking for general information and stories. It's all good and as always thanks for everyone taking in the 4 legged buddies...

Oh, did I mention Tyler is from the same area we got Henry? Interesting to say the least. My Henry is on the beach and Tyler is sulking in his Kennel (he has good things happening and just doesn't know it....)

Thanks,
JW

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Have each one on a leash and let them meet each other... Be ready to pull them away from each other if they get aggressive, then let them adjust and get to know each other...

Ask your current one if he doesn't mind helping a fellow labrador that's down on his luck on the way there...
 
As for me, I am new to dog ownership; just 4 years with the current 70# Shepherd/Lab/whatever, cross.
Since I am semi-retired, I have lots of time for him. He is 7.
During the past two years I have rescued two other dogs, and socialized my Georgie to just about every dog in town; with two exceptions. I'm guessing over 50 of the lil critters.
I am the alpha dog.
The rescue dogs got no different treatment from me than did George.
That is not to say I beat them. I just treat the mature ones like I used to treat my very young ,two or three year old children.
Dogs need; exercise, discipline and affection; in that order. And I watch their personalities develop.
My main tool is exercise, I run them 6 days a week.. When they get back, they are just too tired to argue. They will lay around for hours then eat in mid-afternoon,once a day.
What I have found with these three; is that when they run together, they very quickly figure out who has the power, and the lungs. George is not the fastest, and he doesn't have the most stamina.Georgie likes a minimum of two miles, to four miles, but occasionally hits over five. He can hit 28mph, but cruises at 18/20. I only run each dog to the top of his comfort zone. Then it's up into the SUV and home we go.
Now, I am not tired you see, cuz I just drove the car. And they won't be eating until after 3PM. So, for the next 6 hours or so, I am top banana. And they won't get their strength back until tomorrow morning, lol.
They took to the routine right away, and are always eager to run next morning.
Dogs love routine.
And dogs need playtime;
when Georgie is off leash, he gets to do dog things, and I rarely redirect him.
I re-homed the two rescue dogs and the new owners, while a bit lazy, say the boys fit their familys well.
Dogs need companionship. Georgie is getting lonely, so we are shopping.

So those are some of the things I learned over the past 4 years with Georgie.
And Georgie is starting to show his personality, which he lost in the shelter. To date he has learned 20 to 30 voice commands, and is starting to tell me what he needs. Whenever I learn a new need of his, we invent a voice command for it.
Yaknow, all my life, I thought dogs were just dumb and useless furballs. But these past 4 years have shown me just what a dog-dope I was. I have come to love and appreciate dogs so much, that this summer I hope to fence my yard, install some play-structures, and invite all the neighbors dogs over (no not all at the same time!), to come and play with Georgie, all summer long. Maybe I can parlay it into a retirement business with day-care and boarding.
As a first dog, Georgie is IMO, the best dog, best behaved, best mannered, most polite,obedient, handsomest, dog that two older people like my wife and I could ever have found; an answer to prayer. Everyone who meets him marvels at his manner.
I have petitioned GodAlmighty, for him to be with me in the NewKingdom.

So I really hope Henry finds his needs met.

BTW: your Henry, except for coloring, looks an awful lot like my Georgie; isn't he just the sweetest looking boy!

OHchit I lost track; introducing dogs to eachother;
I stand with Georgie off-leash. He tells me right away about that "other" dog. He mostly just stands there with his head high and ears erect and usually forward, with his tail up and gently flagging. This tells me that other dog is not in battle-mode.So far so good; even if the other is charging, with head low.
Other dogs are always concentrating on Georgie. He is quiet, as am I. I might as well not be there; until the other wants to establish dominance right from the get go. I won't tolerate that, as I am the Alpha. The instant I recognize it, the other gets a sharp rap on top of the skull, or if he is big, a knee, or knuckles in the ribs. This redirects his brain, and he looks to the new threat. If he has a collar, I got it! I'm still faster than any fat dog in this town. When I get the collar,and if it looks like he wants to fight me, I lift his front legs off the ground staying away from the paws. Do not take away his air; then you got the battle. In this position, a 70 or 80 pounder is pretty helpless, altho still dangerous. So I cast him off, with maybe another reminder in the ribs.All this only takes a few seconds. This is one place my 220 pounds comes in handy. But I tell you, a scared wriggling dog with his air partly cut off, is a friggen handful, so I get rid of him pretty quick. I feel like I gotta stay standing.
Georgie is still quiet and more or less frozen. So I copy him. Now the other has to figure out what just happened. So I give him back Georgie, by stepping behind Georgie.
So far, I have gotten away with this.
Now, with the attitude adjustment, Mr.other has an opportunity to redeem himself, and let the sniffing dance begin. Georgie tells the other, when he's being outta line, and I jump right back in. But this time a simple "hey" usually gets it settled.
Most dogs are civil to Georgie, I think he has a calming effect on them. The more often they meet the better gets the greet. I also don't allow the other to fixate in the sniffing game. Once or twice around the block, and we're done.
The rap on the skull, or poke in the ribs is just a redirect; the purpose is not to cause pain. The rib works better, but I can't get to them every time, dogs are incredibly quick.
A few stubborn cases have come up. In the witch, I have had to establish dominance. I do this by putting the other dog, on his side, with my fingers in the side of his neck. So far the biggest dog I have had to do this to was smaller than Georgie, who is is a slim muscular 65/70pounds. So say 50 pounds; I'm not looking forward to doing this with anything bigger. The purpose of this exercise is to establish me as top tog. As soon as he accepts that, you got no more trouble with him. Some dogs will submit in a couple of minutes, another was 20 minutes, another fooled me at about the thirty minute mark. If the dog fools you, you have accomplished nothing and you get to start over at another time cuz your back will be toast
No talking during this exercise.
All I do is poke my fingers into the side of his throat/neck, hard enough so he knows they are there. You are emulating the alpha dog, so be the alpha dog.
At first he will struggle to get his legs back under him, and you are gonna have a battle to keep him flat to the ground, with just one hand. This is not a big deal, just repeat, repeat,repeat until he figures out you mean him no harm. I do it from the front so he can see my face.No talking. He may cry and squeal, but it's all show, cuz he has probably never been subject to this before. He will fake pain at any manipulation so just ignore it; no talking. Dogs do not understand language, and will take cues from whatever you say. So no talking. Make them concentrate on the fingers which are teeth to them, at their throats.
When he finally settles down, WAIT. WAIT, and WAIT.
The more he relaxes, the less pressure I put on his neck. But be careful, their brains are like snap switches; they are sorta on or off with no inbetween, and I have been fooled twice.

You are watching for the submission sign, and when you get it, you must immediately release him.This is yours and his, communication. You have to honor it. I release and walk away. You are telling him," that's all I wanted".
I have only done this a few times and so far I have only seen two submission signs.
The first is a big fat yawn, preceded by his appearing to be falling asleep.
The second was his relaxing and stretching out his legs, as if preparing for sleep.
There may be other signs,IDK
When you release, just do it.
If he bolts upright, you just got fooled, and wasted both of your times.
If he just raises his head,looks around, like WTH, and then slowly gets up, you got it! Now he's ready to listen. Do not be tempted to give affection. He is only doing what he's supposed to be doing, namely being subordinate to man; that is his place and intended purpose. Besides, he's the other dog. He has an "other" home to go to.
I have done this with all three of mine, and shown their new owners how to do it. Georgie didn't really need it it, cuz he was pretty gentle when we got him; nevertheless,we went thru it together. Other dogs in this town have been thru it with me as well; and most with their owners present.

Oh yeah; if they run up to eachother facefirst; it doesn't mean a fight. Sometimes they are just "kissing". Boydog,girldog, it don't matter. How you can tell it's gonna be friendly, is by their stance. Head high, ears forward, a gentle tail flag, all is quiet, mouths mostly closed and one is approaching a lot faster than the other; this is usually a re-union. This is immediately followed by the sniffing dance, which often leads to playtime. If the feet lead, the other is already in play mode.
How you can tell if things are going sour, is if the other dog; puts his lowerjaw, on your dog's shoulder, or a forepaw to the back, near the shoulder, or begins to side hump yours in one of the rear thighs. My Georgie will wait for me to jump in,and correct the other, but sometimes the other is so fast, I miss the early sign. Then Georgie gets to growling, and by that time my lazy legs are in action. Daymn they can be fast. Your dog, if you are not the Alpha, may not wait for you.
BTW, Georgie has graduated to off-leash almost all the time. So if charged, he always has an escape. Yet since I am Alpha, he waits for me.The only time he is leashed is when we are in a strange to him environment, or when encountering a strange timid woman in our town. I don't need to get an earful from some cranky nose-outta-joint trouble-making,er,woman. But in our town of perhaps 200residents, I think Georgie has met most of them. And about all but a handful of their dogs. You see, I am the guy who comes around twice a week, and picks up their garbage and recyclables; and Georgie always rides shotgun. It's part of his routine. If I don't take him, he will cry all day.

Sorry for the long post, but I gave you all I know.
 
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Thanks for all the reply's guys.... I am going to schedule a time this week with the Shelter and take Henry down there to meet him. That's gotta happen and see the energy between the 2. I can't crash and burn trying to fix something that's out of my control. And Henry has worked hard the last 2 years so it all has to fit. But my gut says it can work....

JW
 
Not only can it work, you can make it work.
My Georgie was in the shelter because he and his Mum were chicken killers. When I got him, he went after any small creature that crossed his path. I caught him hunting and killing gophers one day. Not acceptable. I put a stop to it by claiming them. And claiming every other creature he went after. If you are the Alpha, whatever you claim is off-limits.
Georgie now watches the gophers play, allows any cats so inclined to approach him, and shows absolutely no interest in chickens or birds of any kind.
You
can make it happen.
 
And here I thought you just stick your finger in the shelter dog's butt and take it home to let the home dogs sniff it, and vice versa. (Introduction made)
No wonder the shelter operators won't let me adopt.:D
 
Introducing on a neutral site is a great idea. I’ve got 3 dogs with 2 huskys and a Dalmatian. Just yesterday after 5 years my male 10 yr old husky/malamute and male 5 yr old Dalmatian got into it. Good thing is they get over it quickly. They’re best friends most the time, Dogs will be dogs.
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My rescue chihuahua/wire haired terrier/? mix is very territorial protective, She'll try to claw through the glass to get the mail man, and will bark at other dogs walking by, but wants no part of other dogs off my property. She is docile on a leash when other people come around, just sniffing and moving on, but get her back onto the front lawn and game on! She was raised without other dogs from 10 weeks so no direct interaction besides sniffing the wall of the neighbors yard that has 3 German shepherds and some other barker. One of the shepherds get his head up over the wall and gazes at my dog running around my yard. Wonder if she is his next meal or next *****? Dunno, Copper's ears are always fully erect when he's watching my dog Reese. Well, at least I know this aint gonna happen!
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And here I thought you just stick your finger in the shelter dog's butt and take it home to let the home dogs sniff it, and vice versa. (Introduction made)
No wonder the shelter operators won't let me adopt.:D

Ever try that at a Bar lol.....

JW
 
My rescue chihuahua/wire haired terrier/? mix is very territorial protective, She'll try to claw through the glass to get the mail man, and will bark at other dogs walking by, but wants no part of other dogs off my property. She is docile on a leash when other people come around, just sniffing and moving on, but get her back onto the front lawn and game on! She was raised without other dogs from 10 weeks so no direct interaction besides sniffing the wall of the neighbors yard that has 3 German shepherds and some other barker. One of the shepherds get his head up over the wall and gazes at my dog running around my yard. Wonder if she is his next meal or next *****? Dunno, Copper's ears are always fully erect when he's watching my dog Reese. Well, at least I know this aint gonna happen!

This needs to be on a Calendar....

JW
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I sure do like Tyler..... glad you are giving him a good home!

Well, it changed and I am OK with it. Someone local came to the Shelter and saw him Saturday and the rest is history. I am still covering the cost of the snipping and getting his shots up to date. I like to see things through so it was my gift for the new owners.

I hope they treat him like a King. It makes me sick to my stomach when I see dogs in shelters. They all deserve something better than that life....

JW
 
In our area the shelters are run by volunteers, usually with the visible duties shared by several teenage girls. The shelters have limited hours for the public.
I bet 95% of the time, the dogs are individually caged up in the back, with no human contact nor interaction among themselves.
You are right, it breaks my heart just thinking about it.
I wish could take them all home. I wish I could volunteer full-time, but it's just not financially possible. "difficult" dogs are trapped in there for months. Some, like my Georgie, get depressed.
It took over two years for George to start following his nose again. And two more before he began to "play" with other dogs. I can't tell you how excited I was to see him being a "normal" dog.
 
Well, it changed and I am OK with it. Someone local came to the Shelter and saw him Saturday and the rest is history. I am still covering the cost of the snipping and getting his shots up to date. I like to see things through so it was my gift for the new owners.

I hope they treat him like a King. It makes me sick to my stomach when I see dogs in shelters. They all deserve something better than that life....

JW

Very good on you for helping out like that! That family must have needed his companionship more than your family. I'm sure an even better fit will come along for Henry. I'm like you and can't stand seeing them in shelters. I have always said if I win the lottery I'll buy a bunch of land and build a no kill sanctuary for dogs.
 
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Very good on you for helping out like that! That family must have needed his companionship more than your family. I'm sure an even better fit will come along for Henry. I'm like you and can't stand seeing them in shelters. I have always said if I win the lottery I'll buy a bunch of land and build a no kill sanctuary for dogs.

If I win the lottery you and I will build it together! Tears me to pieces when I see that stuff......

JW
 
The best part of fostering dogs was always seeing them come out of their shell, when they finally felt safe and secure each one of them would behave far differently than the when they first came into our home. More than made all the effort worthwhile. I did become extremely attached to a few of them, tough to let go, but with each one finding a forever home, presented another opportunity to save a life.
 
Well, here's an update on Tyler. Lost his man card about 2 weeks ago. He is now with a Foster home that deal with emotionally damaged dogs. He's not aggressive and is extremely playful with other dogs however when humans want to interact with him he urinates all over himself (insert someone needs a tuneup for treating the dog in an ill manner.)

He has Heartworms and they are working on that now to see where his future lies. If they can clean it up 2 families want him so he has a forever home..... Here he is when they picked him up 3 weeks ago and today March 10th....

Go Tyler...

JW

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