Bullheaded wife/Covid

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Oh so there is no covid in spit eh? And keeping it in your own mouth is a bad thing?
I wasn’t aware that’s the only possible transfer was through microscopic. Sorry. All the info about contact is wrong then too?

you don’t have to argue, but you are not the only professional out there with an opinion. There are sources all over the world with recommendations.


Quoted directly from the CDC.



How COVID-19 Spreads
Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

  • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
  • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.


Here everybody can read and decide the meaning of the information.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Transmission
 
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gdrill said:
Oh so there is no covid in spit eh? And keeping it in your own mouth is a bad thing?
I want aware that’s the only possible transfer was through microscopic. Sorry. All the info about contact is wrong then too?

you don’t have to argue, but you are not the only professional out there with an opinion. There are sources all over the works with recommendations.
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Of course spit can transmit the virus. That's not what I said. But just keeping spit out doesn't protect you from infection, which you apparently still don't understand. If infected spit got on your non-N95 mask, you'd still get the disease just by breathing through your mask. So, totally ineffective. The only use a non-N95 mask serves is on the infected person, to keep them from aerosolizing droplets around them in large numbers.

No, the info about contact is not wrong. If someone coughs on a surface and then you touch that surface and then touch your face, eyes, mouth etc it can be a route for transmission. But even the CDC says that surface transmission is not the primary method of spread. Can it be spread that way? Yes, so practice hand washing and not touching your face with unwashed hands. But droplet transmission is primary, and droplets can be microscopic.

Yes, there is misinformation on this topic everywhere, including right here. Go to the CDC website. Go to Johns Hopkins. Listen to them. A ton of the information out there right now is total BS. I'm not an expert by any means. I have training and knowledge above the level of the "general public", but that's about it. I know how masks work because I've been trained and fit tested and have to practice using them, so I'm familiar with what they can and can't do and understand why my protocols and procedures are what they are. Get the information from the experts. You don't know more than them, you don't know better.

CDC Works 24/7

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
 
72bluNblu said:
Of course spit can transmit the virus. That's not what I said. But just keeping spit out doesn't protect you from infection, which you apparently still don't understand. If infected spit got on your non-N95 mask, you'd still get the disease just by breathing through your mask. So, totally ineffective. The only use a non-N95 mask serves is on the infected person, to keep them from aerosolizing droplets around them in large numbers.

No, the info about contact is not wrong. If someone coughs on a surface and then you touch that surface and then touch your face, eyes, mouth etc it can be a route for transmission. But even the CDC says that surface transmission is not the primary method of spread. Can it be spread that way? Yes, so practice hand washing and not touching your face with unwashed hands. But droplet transmission is primary, and droplets can be microscopic.

Yes, there is misinformation on this topic everywhere, including right here. Go to the CDC website. Go to Johns Hopkins. Listen to them. A ton of the information out there right now is total BS. I'm not an expert by any means. I have training and knowledge above the level of the "general public", but that's about it. I know how masks work because I've been trained and fit tested and have to practice using them, so I'm familiar with what they can and can't do and understand why my protocols and procedures are what they are. Get the information from the experts. You don't know more than them, you don't know better.

CDC Works 24/7

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
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I don’t know more than the CDC. I don’t disagree with their info either. My point is that we are trying to prevent spread. They say right in there that “droplets could land on your nose or in your mouth”. So to me preventing the droplets might be a good attempt. Also they say if you are sick wear a mask. Ok. We don’t know who is and isn’t carrying. I read that the majority of unknown carriers are 30ish years old. They don’t get as ill so they don’t think they are a problem. However they are transmitters. I think everything we are doing now is about trying to prevent the spread. There is no stopping it.
Yes I agree in a few weeks we will be hearing about medical professionals choosing the ones who will live and who will die.
But it won’t be because I wore a mask in public if I go out.
It will be because of the arrogance of the North American public.
 
The part I don't get is the N95 mask protects the caregiver from getting a virus and is 95% effective. Why can't it protect a regular Joe? If it is fitted properly and you don't futz with it once it's on. It seems the mask is discouraged because there is a shortage.
 
@72bluNblu is correct once again.

I won't get into the dog fight but I will say the masks people are buying and wearing are useless. The particle size they filter out is not small enough or fit properly to keep the disease from getting through. Think fuel filters they filter out certain micron sized particles, same with the masks.
 
It may have to do with a difference in micron ratings on inlet vs discharge side.
DodgeLad said:
The part I don't get is the N95 mask protects the caregiver from getting a virus and is 95% effective. Why can't it protect a regular Joe? If it is fitted properly and you don't futz with it once it's on. It seems the mask is discouraged because there is a shortage.
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DodgeLad said:
This is bugging the crap out of me....

My wife works at a care facility. I saw a recommendation to remove anyone you care about from these types of facilities and take them home.

No visitors are allowed, only employees right now. I asked what they are doing to screen employees. 'Taking their temperature' she says. I told her that has proven to be relatively ineffective. I asked if the employees are wearing masks. 'No, they don't have enough' is the answer. I told her she needs to wear a mask while is there. She calls her boss and the mask request is denied. Then I tell her to forget the money and do not enter that building without a mask. She calls her boss back and gets an ok for a mask, but the employer will not supply it. I tell her 'just quit'.

She freaks out and I become the 'problem'. She says I am trying to tell her how to live. I tell her the facility is making their problem (no masks), her (our) problem. Now she rejects anything I say. I am very high risk. I ponder her and her precious job will kill me. So I thought about it and then I told her do anything she wants...I don't care anymore because I'm not going to live that long anyway. But really I am so angry I can't even look at her right now.
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Your wife must be kin to mine , wait , all weman are that way !
 
gdrill said:
I don’t know more than the CDC. I don’t disagree with their info either. My point is that we are trying to prevent spread. They say right in there that “droplets could land on your nose or in your mouth”. So to me preventing the droplets might be a good attempt. Also they say if you are sick wear a mask. Ok. We don’t know who is and isn’t carrying. I read that the majority of unknown carriers are 30ish years old. They don’t get as ill so they don’t think they are a problem. However they are transmitters. I think everything we are doing now is about trying to prevent the spread. There is no stopping it.
Yes I agree in a few weeks we will be hearing about medical professionals choosing the ones who will live and who will die.
But it won’t be because I wore a mask in public if I go out.
It will be because of the arrogance of the North American public.
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I have been wondering about that , I`m 73 , have a bad knee, broken elbow right now , wonder who they would pick between and a younger person that has maybe their whole life ahead of them , if it came to that !
 
DodgeLad said:
The part I don't get is the N95 mask protects the caregiver from getting a virus and is 95% effective. Why can't it protect a regular Joe? If it is fitted properly and you don't futz with it once it's on. It seems the mask is discouraged because there is a shortage.
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The mask isn't to prevent contracting illness, it's to stop it being spread from the wearer's face.
Most people have it backwards.
The wearer isn't going to be any less exposed if they're wearing a mask, the droplets get stuck in the mask but the when you inhale that viral material will pass through at some point and you're still going to be exposed. But if you're sick and wearing a mask, the amount of material you eject into the air around you will be reduced which is good for those around the stick person.

Caregivers are exposed to more illness. They're more likely to be contagious and not know it (early in the disease progression, asymptomatic, etc). They need to wear masks to ensure that the people they work on (many of who will be weaker/older) don't catch it from the caregiver.
 
DodgeLad said:
The part I don't get is the N95 mask protects the caregiver from getting a virus and is 95% effective. Why can't it protect a regular Joe? If it is fitted properly and you don't futz with it once it's on. It seems the mask is discouraged because there is a shortage.
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I used to work in a water treatment plant , they had every kind of mask that is made, cant remeber the names or numbers of them, some were the best that can be had /for chlorine leaks and , or maintainence . None of them ever fit me good enough to where I wanted to work in the chlorine room for any reason , in fact , I hated even going in the chemical bldg .
 
18 tons of CL2 at our water treatment plant. We enter the room on our own...talk about foolish.
 
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famous bob said:
I used to work in a water treatment plant , they had every kind of mask that is made, cant remeber the names or numbers of them, some were the best that can be had /for chlorine leaks and , or maintainence . None of them ever fit me good enough to where I wanted to work in the chlorine room for any reason , in fact , I hated even going in the chemical bldg .
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Reminds me of Army boot camp when we learned how well gas masks worked.

After they helped us ensure the mask fit, we were led into the "gas chamber", a small building full of concentrated CS gas which is a riot control agent. No problem breathing while waiting your turn. Then comes time to remove it. HOLY MOTHER OF... the mask worked extremely well while it was on!

I immediately bent over at the waist, snot reached from my nose all the way to the floor!! One by one, we were asked to say our name and social...then, we had to remember to put our helmet back on before being allowed to leave. Fun times!!
 
66fyssh said:
Reminds me of Army boot camp when we learned how well gas masks worked.

After they helped us ensure the mask fit, we were led into the "gas chamber", a small building full of concentrated CS gas which is a riot control agent. No problem breathing while waiting your turn. Then comes time to remove it. HOLY MOTHER OF... the mask worked extremely well while it was on!

I immediately bent over at the waist, snot reached from my nose all the way to the floor!! One by one, we were asked to say our name and social...then, we had to remember to put our helmet back on before being allowed to leave. Fun times!!
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When I went thru , we were told not to breath or open our eyes, had to walk thru a tent filled w/ the stuff , no masks or anything ---
 
4spdragtop said:
@DodgeLad, if you are able get her to agree, to cover her arse, have her email HR with reasons why shes not coming to work. At least it's a paper trail to protect her job.
Good luck
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And print the e-mail out, so it does not get dusted under the rug.
 
Also, my dad stopped by my garage walking his dog tonight, he just lives across the street.
My sister happened to call him, and his 77 year old ears don't work great, so he puts the phone on speaker.

She is a RN and said they had the first case in AL at where she worked, she was literally scared, this coming from a girl that will fight a rattlesnake. Win. Than kiss it on the head and heal it back to good health.

She was telling dad, not to go anywhere because of his age, stay home instead.
 
sireland67 said:
Also, my dad stopped by my garage walking his dog tonight, he just lives across the street.
My sister happened to call him, and his 77 year old ears don't work great, so he puts the phone on speaker.

She is a RN and said they had the first case in AL at where she worked, she was literally scared, this coming from a girl that will fight a rattlesnake. Win. Than kiss it on the head and heal it back to good health.

She was telling dad, not to go anywhere because of his age, stay home instead.
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You can only wonder what she saw.
 
Take no offense please, I simply seek truth and knowledge.

What I have is a stack of five N95 NIOSH certified respirators sitting right in front of me. This....
https://s.yimg.com/aah/yhst-4043893...al-mask-3m-n95-cup-earloops-small-blue-18.jpg

From the CDC, scroll down to respirators..
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

"An N95 FFR is a type of respirator which removes particles from the air that are breathed through it. These respirators filter out at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles. N95 FFRs are capable of filtering out all types of particles, including bacteria and viruses."

"N95 respirators reduce the wearer’s exposure to airborne particles, from small particle aerosols to large droplets. N95 respirators are tight-fitting respirators that filter out at least 95% of particles in the air, including large and small particles."

I would like to go to Lowes and buy some lumber. Tell me why I shouldn't don one.
 
After reading that, I cant see why not.
DodgeLad said:
Take no offense please, I simply seek truth and knowledge.

What I have is a stack of five N95 NIOSH certified respirators sitting right in front of me. This....
https://s.yimg.com/aah/yhst-4043893...al-mask-3m-n95-cup-earloops-small-blue-18.jpg

From the CDC, scroll down to respirators..
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

"An N95 FFR is a type of respirator which removes particles from the air that are breathed through it. These respirators filter out at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles. N95 FFRs are capable of filtering out all types of particles, including bacteria and viruses."

"N95 respirators reduce the wearer’s exposure to airborne particles, from small particle aerosols to large droplets. N95 respirators are tight-fitting respirators that filter out at least 95% of particles in the air, including large and small particles."

I would like to go to Lowes and buy some lumber. Tell me why I shouldn't don one.
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