VIRUS HITTING CLOSE TO HOME

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I pray this will pass. We all need to adhere to the experts and not listen to the elected per say. Lots of the population and way to many are not! I fear the worst! China is likely lying but, And They should have known that! Tough deal for all our politicians for sure. Stop the economy or save lives! Lives matter if we are going to rebuild after this!JMO
 
I created this and posted it before...but it still rings true. We ALL need to do our part.

Tomorrow will be another day and we all need everyone to be here to help shape it into the future we want. Together we are stronger than we are alone.

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We were at WalMart this AM at 7. Still no TP!! Glad we still have some from trip to Sams few month ago!!!
They did have 10 lb. bags of "chicken wing PIECES"!! WTF!????
 
My sisters friend has a brother who just passed away from COVID at 29. Zero health issues before two weeks ago.
 
Curve is showing the start of a flattening in FL.

4 days steady 850-950 new cases.

No exponential or large percentage gains.

Not betting the farm, but that's a positive sign.
 
Curve is showing the start of a flattening in FL.

4 days steady 850-950 new cases.

No exponential or large percentage gains.

Not betting the farm, but that's a positive sign.
I hope your right.
But I think your governor's stay home order should have started a week or so ago.
Stay safe ALL.
 
Thanks.

I think our Governor's done reasonably well.

He's had to deal with several cruise ships (besides the latest 2), a couple air hubs including international, people fleeing other states (some of whom have legal residence in FL) and the #5 hotspot in Miami.

I do agree though, earlier has proven to be better throughout this.
 
Sir we are not arguing anything. Not semantics nor anything else. We agree the virus is killing people. But I am using a one month cycle to see an increasing rate. Since January there has now been 39,000 deaths. I am pointing out that in the last 30 days / 1 month there has been 36,000 of those deaths. There were 3000 from the beginning of the count to March 1. The previous 30 day cycle was less, about 34,000 and the one before less, about 32,000. The daily count is going up therefore the 30 day average is increasing. My point is merely how much the amount increases as it goes and how it did not do much from January until March. On about March 10 the number started to jump in larger amounts. Then they exponentially started to jump. I am simply Showing that the virus is now in full swing vs the first few months. I expect tomorrow the last 30 days will total 40,000+/-.

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Sadly it seems the exponential numbers are showing. In that ^^^post we were at 36,000+/- deaths in the last 30 day period. That was Tuesday. Now today, Saturday, a 30 day total has increased to 58,000+/-. I wish they would not use percentages in their figures as it really means nothing, and it never will. Unless we test every human in earth. Right now it makes it seem far worse that it is. And I am in no way implying it is not terrible. Just the percentage is a very skewed number. That’s why I’m watching how many actually succumb to the virus. Hopefully we don’t start seeing more of the younger victims fall to it. We are almost at 62,000 fatalities this morning.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,141,378 Cases and 61,205 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer


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Not trying to be critical but trying to explain: the % per day DOES mean more than the raw totals. It is the indicator of whether measures to combat this are working... or shows how lack of measures (like in the NYC area too late) promotes spread.

gdrill.... in the graph you linked above, hit the 'logarithmic' word and then look a the graph. Look at the slope, or steepness, of the logarithmic graph. That is the important clue in what is happening with prevention methods and predictions of deaths in the near future. The slope steepened in the US quite a bit about 3 weeks ago, and as expected, the US death rates jumped up 7-10 days later.
 
I fully understand what you are saying and don't argue that daily changes can imply something. Although they are far from being an indicator in my mind. After the 10th of April or so, I think we will know what is happening. Simply because that is roughly 30 days from when the big climb started.

I highlighted the numbers below I’m referring to.
This is a very inaccurate number. It should not be used anywhere at any time. It means nothing. We do not know the death rate because likely millions currently have or have already had or are yet to have this virus, that haven't been or never will be tested. Therefore the percentage means nothing. It is very misleading.

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This is the website that models the COVID-19 spread. Same as used by the White House.

It allows you to see the projections for the entire country and also for each state. It tracks the projection vs actually too.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

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I highlighted the numbers below I’m referring to.
This is a very inaccurate number. It should not be used anywhere at any time. It means nothing. We do not know the death rate because likely millions currently have or have already had or are yet to have this virus, that haven't been or never will be tested. Therefore the percentage means nothing. It is very misleading.
FWIW.... I've been tracking the numbers closely since the 1st week of Feb. The mortality rate does indeed have meaning and is a worthwhile indicator relative to other pandemics. I'd suggest that looking at the US mortality rate alone will give you a lot more meaning than looking at the worldwide rate.

In the US the mortality rate started a bit higher than now, due the sudden outbreak in Washington state, particularly at the retirement home. It dropped quickly to around 1.5%, and then edged down to 1.3% about 2-3 weeks ago as testing in the US skyrocketed. But at that time, the big jump in cases in the NYC area started, and the jump in death rate about 7-10 days later was fully expected. And indeed it did, and now the US mortality rate has climbed back up to 2-2.5%. Every state where there has been a sustained infection for at least 2 weeks shows this mortality rate now.

I've seen plenty of claims that it has no meaning in comparison to seasonal flu mortality rates, as we do not know the total number of cases, including the asymptomatic cases (low or no symptom). This is not true.... the CDC's estimates on seasonal flu mortality is based on a similar metric. That figure is based on the ratio of deaths to estimated symptomatic cases, and does not include asymptomatic cases of seasonal flu. So a 2+% mortality rate in the US can be reasonably compared to the average 0.1% seasonal flu rate to get an idea of how much worse this is. See here:
Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season | CDC

I have fund some papers and info relating to the total cases, that puts some general bounds on the ratio of asymtomatic to symptomatic cases for both seasonal flus, and for the Spanish flu. These numbers range from 2 to 4. So you could use those ratios to get some rough estimate of the probable total number of cases so far.

Getting a grip on the total is important for one reason: to get some idea when the herd immunity effect might start slowing the spread. That is based the total % of a society that has been infected and has built immunity. Once that total gets above the range of 10-15% of a population, then the herd immunity effect starts to work in our favor, by starting to lower the spread rate. If we use the NYC area total infections as 3 times the NY state total, then that area is at about a 2% infected at this point in rough numbers. It will take about another 2.5-3 weeks for the % infected of the area population to reach 10%, if it holds at the present % rate of daily increase in infections. But 2-3 weeks is pretty long in terms of trying to do predictions on something changing this fast.

BTW.. the Spanish flu has more recently been estimated to have infected around 25% of the total world population. At that point, it died out.
 
I'm not going argue with you or anybody else over this. If you feel posting a 6% fatality rate is fine, then I have no problem with that.

For me, I KNOW it is inaccurate. It will do nothing more than create unnecessary fear among people.
That is my opinion.
 
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The so called “Spanish Flu” was the H1N1 virus that was also responsible for the Swine Flu, Bird Flu and the 2009 H1N1 out breaks globally. It hasn’t died out and still is with us. In fact, it is one of the variants included in annual flu vaccines.

Point is, once we can deal with this new virus, detect and treat it...it will probably be with us a long time. But it won’t be as scary as it is now.

When H1N1 was novel in 1918, it was devastating but is now managed. This virus is no different.

We just need time to slow it and develop treatments and vaccines so we can save lives.
 
46.5 % of the deaths are people with pre-existing life threatening conditions.
Obesity is a major factor as well.
 
I'm not going argue with you over this. If you feel posting a 6% fatality rate is fine, then I have no problem with that.

For me, I KNOW it is inaccurate. It will do nothing more than create unnecessary fear among people.
That is my opinion.
Well...If you do the math based on available statistics, only about 15% of people with symptoms who get tested are positive. If you extend that out to the general population of low symptom/asymtomatic cases, then about 6x the number of tested people have it also. That means taking the number of confirmed cases and multiplying by 6 and also taking the number of deaths and dividing by 6.

That gives a fatality rate of around 1% which is exactly what has been projected all along.

Still frightening...but not quite as frightening as a 6% mortality rate.
 
What I don't understand is why a 1% death rate is tough to swallow.
.75 % would probably die from their pre-existing health problems within a short period either way. jmo
my only problem with this virus is that it is very contagious , not that it is life threatening for healthy people with a good natural immune system.
I have never taken a flu shot, so a shot for covid19 will not be of interest to me.
A vaccine will be valuable for chronic patients and the elderly . imo
 
What I don't understand is why a 1% death rate is tough to swallow.
.75 % would probably die from their pre-existing health problems within a short period either way. jmo
my only problem with this virus is that it is very contagious , not that it is life threatening for healthy people with a good natural immune system.
I have never taken a flu shot, so a shot for covid19 will not be of interest to me.
A vaccine will be valuable for chronic patients and the elderly . imo
Because it can overwhelm our healthcare system. A 1% mortality rate means 3.6 million infected will die and with those numbers, the mortality rate will become far higher as hard choices are made on who to save and who to let die simply because we can’t care for them.

You feel feel it is not that deadly? Tell, that to the thousands that will die and the thousands more who may die if we don’t keep it contained.

And if you think your age or condition spares you, you may be dead wrong. Healthy individuals far younger and in better health than you are dying...and you aren’t anything special.
 
Because it can overwhelm our healthcare system. A 1% mortality rate means 3.6 million infected will die and with those numbers, the mortality rate will become far higher as hard choices are made on who to save and who to let die simply because we can’t care for them.

You feel feel it is not that deadly? Tell, that to the thousands that will die and the thousands more who may die if we don’t keep it contained.

And if you think your age or condition spares you, you may be dead wrong. Healthy individuals far younger than you are dying and you aren’t anything special.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not claiming to be a tough guy. It might kill me.
I just have a different view on health care and sickness.
 
I want to clarify my earlier post about arguing. I don't think we should have to argue over this, and I don't think we really are in most cases. We all know it is bad whether we think it is over reacted or not.

I just don't think that the way the numbers are being represented are a smart way to go about it.
Should they be so radical it scares people? Well, people should be scared, just not to the point of panic. Having said that, we can't just blow it off either. There are some scary stories out there. The one that I paid attention to was in Italy how a young, rather healthy otherwise, person started coughing up pink fluid into his ventilator and drowned in his own blood before they could react. The doctors were instantly, and rightfully so, scared. Is it common? I don't know. Is it even true? I don't know that either. But I can sure say that if it is, we better hope that strain is not going to make it here. And if it does or is, we better do everything we can to contain it. Because that isn't dying from underlying circumstances.

We can't treat it like the flu. Partly because it isn't the flu, but mostly because it will overwhelm us as has been the main focus since the beginning.
Too may people already ruined our chances of keeping the death rate lower. Hopefully we can still handle the upcoming cases without Doctors having to make some terrible / tough choices.

Arrogance and invincibility are two factors that played a huge part in the spread of this.

Just my opinion......
 
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I never had a problem with social distancing.
My wife always said I'm anti-social.
This just gave me a reason to be more so.
 
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