How to live to old age in the Mopar hobby

-

barbee6043

barbee 6043
FABO Gold Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2008
Messages
20,432
Reaction score
10,024
Location
Shepherd, Texas ( SE Tx)
In this trying time, this might be a fun thing? I admit I could make a long list, but I will just kick it off with one. All these "pointers" might just help the new aspiring Mopar head.

!. Cost of what you buy, ie projects, restored cars, parts, labor, etc. IF you have a great understanding wonderful wife. Just tell her the truth about it all. If she is not such, lie like a dog, but always write down your lies down, just to keep it all straight. Little white lies are not really lies!
 
Next on list.
2. Never ever by a car to restore that you think it is a forever keeper! Why? Because one day, you will either want to sell it or have to sell it. IF you realize that quite possibly the day will come to maybe sell, you will not have more in it than you can sell it for. Never be upside down. If so, never tell the wife you are! How do you NOT be upside down??? That will come as the list grows!! Also known as "useful hints".
 
Next on list.
2. Never ever by a car to restore that you think it is a forever keeper! Why? Because one day, you will either want to sell it or have to sell it. IF you realize that quite possibly the day will come to maybe sell, you will not have more in it than you can sell it for. Never be upside down. If so, never tell the wife you are! How do you NOT be upside down??? That will come as the list grows!! Also known as "useful hints".
I agree you may be upside down monetarily if you buy a car that needs a ton of work and you do not know how to do the work yourself or are not willing to learn. However I would say you’ll be in the positive as far as education and knowledge. We all look at the world as a big dollar sign however learning and educating ourselves as we work on these projects could also be turned around and used to make more of those dollar signs.
 
I was looking for a car about six years ago that was reliable enough to get me back and forth to work. I had a family member that passed away and had the dart i have now. They called the junkyard to haul it away and i asked my wife if i could get that instead. She gave me the look like she was gonna kill me and said no. I took it anyways along with my $1500 down payment for a new car. Put a gas tank in rebuilt the carb and replaced all the suspension along with disk brakes. For a little over 5 years ive been putting $400 (the cost of a car payment and insurance)a month into our savings and only using it for my car stuff. Theres a little over $20k in there. Shes never questioned me about a car again.
 
I agree you may be upside down monetarily if you buy a car that needs a ton of work and you do not know how to do the work yourself or are not willing to learn. However I would say you’ll be in the positive as far as education and knowledge. We all look at the world as a big dollar sign however learning and educating ourselves as we work on these projects could also be turned around and used to make more of those dollar signs.
I'm a shining example of this... of course I always was in to cars and always fixed my own cars, but never really got into them too deeply. I took high School auto shop and all that and majored in it as well. Work lots of skilled jobs, but always fix my own cars. And this duster when I got it 6 years ago I really embarked on a total disassembly and reassembly many many times on it. I've changed everything. I could have just kind of put it together and made a huge profit by now but I'm upside down into it like you wouldn't believe! LOL loving every minute of it and of course and my wife knows every penny that's been spent. But the education that it gave me... I now for a living help people restore their cars from all the knowledge I gained working on it.. It not only pays well, but I do what I love...
 
The only time I got into trouble was when I spent our vacation planning savings on the car. Other than that, as long as I keep using my own savings account, she doesn't see it. But yeah, I got a shed full of parts...
 
No question I'm for sure upside down as far as resale value, but no one can ever de value the fun I'm having with it, and the fun of having built it.
 
I'm not married, so as long as the important things are payed for/taken care of first, I can spend what little MAD MONEY I have in my "toys" account, & don't have to answer to anybody but myself. I guess I'm lucky in that respect. I doubt very much I will get back what I have in my Dakota, but it's worth the fun I have with it.
 
I'm a shining example of this... of course I always was in to cars and always fixed my own cars, but never really got into them too deeply. I took high School auto shop and all that and majored in it as well. Work lots of skilled jobs, but always fix my own cars. And this duster when I got it 6 years ago I really embarked on a total disassembly and reassembly many many times on it. I've changed everything. I could have just kind of put it together and made a huge profit by now but I'm upside down into it like you wouldn't believe! LOL loving every minute of it and of course and my wife knows every penny that's been spent. But the education that it gave me... I now for a living help people restore their cars from all the knowledge I gained working on it.. It not only pays well, but I do what I love...
Where/how are you doing that? Do you have a shop? Are you going to peoples houses to help them? Are you bringing projects back to your house?
 
I agree that any education has value. It can also be learned when you have put enough $$ into a certain car that you are or soon will be upside down. People will argue that is the hobby. I disagree somewhat.
The world is full of these old cars. The title to this is how to stay in this hobby for many years, decades. And not be independent wealthy. Not go broke. Not have the wife divorce you.
With me over the decades, cars came and went. I have made profits on some cars, others just got my investment back as to cost of the project parts, materials and NOT my labor. If I lost $$ on every old car I drug home well that would mount up. Yes it I a hobby I love, but it has always needed to pay its way.
So here is my #3. Never overpay for any project. Buy on what you think it is worth not what anyone else says. Calculate at what point you will have more in it than what anyone will pay you for it. OK so you say it is your dream car , you will never sell, OK, skip on along.
Back to the project. A book could be and has been written here, but her are my idea of basics:
Buy a complete car or close. Parts are expensive and not that plentiful anymore. Do you want to travel a million miles looking pay shipping?
Be honest with your abilities. Forget about wanting to learn body work and the experience will pay dividends. Do you really have the $$$ for all the equipment and tools. Can you even begin to use them? etc etc etc
By a decent runner. At least decent. What will the machine work cost to get it running? Can you assemble or what a clean room to do so. If you rebuild an engine, will that particular model enable you to sell and get your $$$back?
Find a project that someone else has put $$ in and wants to bail. And did acceptable work. That has extra parts worth some $$ to go with the project, thrown in.
They to find one that has some good interior work already done. Interior gets expensive. Stay away from goofy custom work.
Pay a little more for a good project. Who wants to replace frame rails unless it is a car that will be worth the $$ and work for instance. If you ever decide to sell and you live in the rust belt, a solid documented car NOT from the salt will pay some dividends. Shipping costs, but........
I realize there are people that bought their project 30 years ago and they are still trying to get it on the road. This thread is not for them.
 
You want to know how to live long with a mopar. Thats easy. Own 1. The way i look at it is as long as 1 is in my garage the list of things i want to whether its drive it or work on it never ends. So by that logic i cant die and if i do by chance my son inherits it and the mopar addiction disease lol
 
I bought, fixed and sold a great many other cars and trucks over the years to finance my "addiction", most of the time I made a reasonable profit on any vehicle that I bought to resell, a few I made a really good return, and a few I took a shitkicking on.
I try not to worry too much about being upside down on a car that I plan to keep for myself for a long time, I figure the fun I get out of it is worth it.
These days I don't have the energy or the time to flip cars like I used to, my wife is ok with that, she doesn't like the yard to be cluttered with junk, so I keep it to a minimum, she stays happy, and doesn't mind when I spend a few bucks on my projects. It definitely helps that I do almost all of my own mechanical work, including looking after our daily drivers as needed, saving considerable amounts over having to have someone else do the repairs and maintenance, and freeing up cash for my projects.
I agree that finding someone else's project that they have bailed on can be a bonus, provided that the work is of reasonable quality and doesn't need to be re-done. I try to find good used motors and trannys when I can, and look for a good useable interior on most projects, or find a parts car with a clean interior, and as many good parts as possible, which has gotten much more difficult since some people are now restoring cars that would have been considered too far gone 5 to 10 years ago.
 
I prefer to buy a basket case for 1k or less and redo everything . Why pay 7k for a half decent runner then redo everything anyways ?

The wife thinks Im having an affair with the UPS driver ... lol ...And has no clue how much I spent on these projects ! Everything costs $25 ...

She named my cars ..... " Those bitches in the garage !" Lol
 
Wanna live a long life in the Mopar hobby? Get out of the hobby.
 
When I got together with my second wife I made it plain up front . "this is what I do , this is my hobby/passion . I don't drink , smoke , gamble , drugs or fool a round ." this is not a cheap hobby but either is golf or cruise ships . We started a side business selling Mopar parts . flipped a few cars and had a blast together . People will disagree with me but I believe these cars are a piece of history and deserve the best possible treatment . I 'm not wealthy so I worked my butt off to have a car I was proud of . A legacy if you will . The cost doesn't matter to me as long as it works . No one has ever said to me "Why did you spend so much money on your car ?" they have said " Nice job , well done "
 
Next on list.
2. Never ever by a car to restore that you think it is a forever keeper! Why? Because one day, you will either want to sell it or have to sell it. IF you realize that quite possibly the day will come to maybe sell, you will not have more in it than you can sell it for. Never be upside down. If so, never tell the wife you are! How do you NOT be upside down??? That will come as the list grows!! Also known as "useful hints".
I got one disagree with this #2 of mine. That is good.
Here is what has been part of my code in the car word for the last decades or so. I will only buy a car, that IF I ever decide to sell it, and NO ONE wants it or to buy it at my price, I will gladly keep it! If it is not worth my asking or demanding price, and selling it for a lose,.. I will keep it and not take a lose!!! Good part is, I find things about most ever model of Mopar that appeals to me. IF I had the $$ and could live long enough there are many models and years I would love to have. Learning about different models appeals to me. I love em all even the goofy ones!! lol
 
MY rule #3. Remember the title is how to exist in this Mopar hobby. Over the decades I have seen the ruin of many old car guys!!! Sometimes it is the car show that bites them.

The car show!!!!!
Before the car show people get all bent out of shape and get their clean panties all in a wad, let me say plenty of folk that love the show scene and that is great. But I will mention some of the negatives. I have seen the negatives drive some people out of our hobby!!
I see most guys want an old Mopar for usually two main reasons, either they had one in their youth or wanted one, OR they want a "show car"!! The seen to have this desire to own a great rare and desirable car that they take it to the local car show, that people will ooh and ahhhh over and they will will the little trophy. Or big trophy! Or they will have done or paid to be done such outstanding workmanship it will be the highlight of the event.
Negatives. The newbie takes his prize car to the show just to find these things he did not consider: All the judges are chvey guys. They want a GM car to win!!! Thus a GM car will win! No prize.
They find they bought and paid really good money for the done car, get to the show and find the car they bought and paid all those $$$$ for is not uniquely a rare, the show has more cars there that are way more rare and thus desirable. Then they find that there are cars there that have had way ore $$$$$ spent on them or someone put way for time, work, and $$$$ in their car. No trophy!!!
Then there is the Uncle Ned stories the newbie has to endure. "Yep ole Uncle Ned had one of those 73 Dodge Dusters, with that HEM-I motor, why that sucker would do 320 miles per hour in 3 rd gear, we done it many times. It came from the factory with a big ole wing on the trunk and a big decal on its side that said PLYMOUTH! Why did a Dodge have such!??????" Yeppers!!!" Newbie: One show done, NONE to go.
Then there is the "car is too nice to drive." It is a show car! So the newbie buys an enclosed trailer to haul the show car, then a new pickup to haul the trailer with the show car, the assorted tents, chairs, coolers........ Then after a while he sees his neighbor with the NOT so pretty old Mopar that he drives anywhere, takes it to the drag strip, out to cruises, and says "Wait, I am bored with this car show thing I want to drive MY car!" SOooo he tells is wife all this and she says " Dear, if we drive it won't we get it dirty, maybe a scratch or Haven help a small ding or whatever, won't it not be worth all those $$$ we have invested in this show car?" And the trailer? and the truck????? He replies yes we will just find a nice "driver" and set the show car back. She tells him, yea, right my ***.
Some will say, yes been theredone it. Others will say, they love the car show scene, others will say, all this is BS!! LOL
 
My rule # 4.

A few decades ago this was way easier> MY hobbies need to pay their way. HOW!???????
Buying a good project car, that is a complete runner was way easier back in the 80's, 90's, and yes it took work, not sitting on the *** work but work and networking and developing friends that helped each other out. I would find a car I wanted, then a couple of trader cars, that is flipping cars. Oh wait, there is that ugly word. I found a car that someone else wanted needed and I was able to clean it up, get it running, and let someone else enjoy it. What is so wrong?
Parts cars? The world is full of cars that yes can be saved but is it always practical? No. There are still tons of useful parts cars. Many are overpriced but I bet this Corono deal will bring some things back to reality.
Let the newbie know parting out cars, finding parts cars that can be bought, boxing, figuring shipping, advertising, dealing with the tire kickers, wanna bes, be backs, dopers, etc is not for the faint of heat. Pulling parts is work, some people rally enjoy. But it all can help pay forth hobby. I realize lots of people have all the $$ to play their hobby. They gave that kind of salary!!
Or thy say, so what if it takes 10 years to get the car on the road. Chances are in 3-4 years they are bored, disinterested, frustrated because they cannot drive that car!
Most hobbiest will read the above and just say, this is my hobby I will pay for it, no need.

When I was a kid I wanted a good quarter horse. One broke good, trained good, with conformation, with some pretty, brains, ability. That costs money. My after school job at the local grocery and 12 hours Sat only went so far in 1964-66. So I had to figure a way to make that hobby pay. So I learned to start colts, to train, to trade horses, to look at a green colt and see what I could make of him.. Then it was the same way when I got into the Mopar hobby. It needed to pay its way.
 
I should have named this thread " How to spend many decades in the Mopar hobby and not go totally broke. Or kill yourself due to frustration?

My rule #5. If you buy a car someone has worked on, as in NOT paid a knowledable mechanic to do such work, BE sure the owner has a clue as to what he is doing. Have toever seen someone lose every factory engine bolt and replace with hardware grade 3 ??? Just an example
So many people will tell you, "You can buy a done car cheaper than blah blah blah. YEA Right. Usually that is so when the owner paid a stupid price for a project that is a total basketcase, then he gets screwed paying people for work, mechanicals, body/paint etc. Then the car is for sale and the owner figures out no one will pay for all his spendatures and blunders.
So if I buy a project that someone else worked on I want to know what he did, how he did it and what he used, and try to determine if the guy has a clue.
I have bought some very nice cars that the owner did great wok on, even an amateur body thing. Then I have bought some that a 6 year old would know better!! lol
Happy motoring!
 
No one has ever said to me "Why did you spend so much money on your car ?"

My old man was the only person who ever said that to me, and after hearing it one too many times I finally made a comparison to the car he had recently bought, what he paid for it, what he got for trade in value on his last one, what he paid for that car, then I told him how much I actually had spent on my car, and showed him what the appraisal report valued it at. I asked him what he felt his "new" car would be worth when it was a few years old, and what my "old" car would be worth. He finally saw the light and never brought it up again.

I never expected to make a career out of working on cars, old or new, I do it because I enjoy seeing the results of my efforts, and being able to feel the rush of getting behind the wheel of something I built, knowing what it can do, and that it's safe and reliable because I did it right and did not take shortcuts. I don't do it for awards or trophies, I've only entered one professionally judged show in my life, taking a first place in class win, never showed that car again, just drove it and enjoyed it. My motivation is the money I save on my daily drivers, and the peace of mind of knowing I can fix most problems on my own. I've always been able to do most of my own mechanical repairs, have done some metalwork in the past, but on my latest project have learned how to replace a 1/4 panel skin. It was a challenge for me, but I want to keep this a low budget car, so the idea of paying someone to do that was not part of the plan, so I took my time, made a thousand measurements, double checked them, watched some how to videos, took my time, and got it done. I would not say that it is a professional result by any means, but in the end I learned something new by challenging myself. I made a few mistakes, and figured out how to correct them, which is pretty much how I've learned everything else.
 
Back some years ago, I sorta retired semi retired I guess they call it. I always had plenty of Mopars around, some restored rare cars, some just plain Jane drivers and some in between. I took a job in the city some 60 miles one way and was driving a beak nose Dart Sport as I recall kept getting questions from the guys there why I drive that old car and especially such a distance.
So I tell them. I enjoy driving the car. Yes it has NO AC, but were are working out in the heat all day, and driving home with windows down feels good to me!
Then I mention the job pays pretty little and why would I want to drive and wear out a modern car that will then be worth nothing! I an drive my old Dart and long as it runs good and still looks good, it will always be worth what I have invested in it. If it breaks I can fix it. It is a classic, not a rare or high $ classic but a classic and not a modern chit box.
 
-
Back
Top