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w2dodge

w2dodge

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Need some input ....I'm thinking of swapping out my 340 W2 motor for a Gen3 engine...not sure if I should go Hellcat or build a turbo or procharged Gen3 hemi..looking to make anywhere from 800hp to 1000hp...Or just stick what I know more of...build a X or R3 W8 motor...and squeeze as much HP out of it...
 
Don't go gen 3. Twin turbo the 340 and you'll love it. If you want a gen 3 hemi than buy a new charger/challenger.
 
Hellcat supercharged will cost a lot, around here $16,000 plus the electronics. Just saying.
 
w2dodge said:
Need some input ....I'm thinking of swapping out my 340 W2 motor for a Gen3 engine...not sure if I should go Hellcat or build a turbo or procharged Gen3 hemi..looking to make anywhere from 800hp to 1000hp...Or just stick what I know more of...build a X or R3 W8 motor...and squeeze as much HP out of it...
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First "Motors" are electric
Engines burn fuel to create HP
Anyone can by a Hellcat, they are cool
But not everyone can build a twin turbo SBM engine.
Good luck no mater which route you go.
 
brian6pac said:
Hellcat supercharged will cost a lot, around here $16,000 plus the electronics. Just saying.
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I'm not trying to be a smart ***. this is a legit question.

By the time you buy a block, Prepped for 1000+ HP W8's Prepped to flow and work and seal to that, said R3 block or lighter alu block and even more prep(From a shop that knows all the ins and outs of it)
Would you be pass the 16,000 dollar mark????

On the other side of the coin.....would your converter/ transmission bolt up? Bellhousing adapter?.......to a gen3 /Hell cat eng????
 
Double check the W8 part availability.

FABO Member smokindust is selling a set *IIRC* due to this issue. He has a lot of stuff along this line.

Here—> [FOR SALE] - Mopar W8 engine.
 
this is why I asked....I dont know to much of the modern parts and engines.... just starting to go back into it...that r3 w8 combo I saw on racing junk also..il shoot him a text. ..the more info I get from you guys will help me decide...and thankyou
 
Cudafever said:
I'm not trying to be a smart ***. this is a legit question.

By the time you buy a block, Prepped for 1000+ HP W8's Prepped to flow and work and seal to that, said R3 block or lighter alu block and even more prep(From a shop that knows all the ins and outs of it)
Would you be pass the 16,000 dollar mark????

On the other side of the coin.....would your converter/ transmission bolt up? Bellhousing adapter?.......to a gen3 /Hell cat eng????
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If you are talking W8 I'm sure you could get over $16000 in it, How much HP will a 340 With W2 heads take before coming apart ?
 
brian6pac said:
If you are talking W8 I'm sure you could get over $16000 in it, How much HP will a 340 With W2 heads take before coming apart ?
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My motor was built over 23 years ago . ..I rather sell it and use the money on a different set up...
 
I have a butt load of $$ in my 434" small block, it makes good power and requires very little maintenance. I'm one of those people who buys parts over a period of time, but if I were doing it over I'd seriously consider saving my dimes and pennies and consider buying a Hellephant or a Hellcat take out.
 
justinp61 said:
I have a butt load of $$ in my 434" small block, it makes good power and requires very little maintenance. I'm one of those people who buys parts over a period of time, but if I were doing it over I'd seriously consider saving my dimes and pennies and consider buying a Hellephant or a Hellcat take out.
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Yep ...I'm starting to think that way...driveability is a factor...but my heart is carburated..if that's a word...
 
w2dodge said:
Yep ...I'm starting to think that way...driveability is a factor...but my heart is carburated..if that's a word...
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I understand, I'm 59 and have been fooling with Mopars since I was 14 or so but it's hard to deny what newer technology has done for hot rods.
 
512Stroker said:
First "Motors" are electric
Engines burn fuel to create HP
Anyone can by a Hellcat, they are cool
But not everyone can build a twin turbo SBM engine.
Good luck no mater which route you go.
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My dictionary sez a motor can be internal combustion or electric.

Us cool kids like to say Motor...
 
w2dodge said:
Need some input ....I'm thinking of swapping out my 340 W2 motor for a Gen3 engine...not sure if I should go Hellcat or build a turbo or procharged Gen3 hemi..looking to make anywhere from 800hp to 1000hp...Or just stick what I know more of...build a X or R3 W8 motor...and squeeze as much HP out of it...
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If you use a turbo any R block will take 1k pretty easy if you don’t set the tune on max kill. The Ritter block is probably the better investment.

I’d shy away from boost and iron heads even at moderate boost levels. Iron is very sensitive to temperature rise, as in going from a no boost/low boost load and then running the boost up. Temperature change like that and cast iron hate each other.

A Ritter block and W8 heads from Brett Miller would be a kick *** deal. Much better than a boring LS deal (which a quick study would tell you isn’t all that indestructible...neither is the G3 hemi) or a G3 HEMI.
 
yellow rose said:
Much better than a boring LS deal (which a quick study would tell you isn’t all that indestructible...neither is the G3 hemi) or a G3 HEMI.
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You are right about that. Maybe its just where I live, but I have had several LS motors come in with a snapped rod, and a couple with spun cam bearings. One of the aluminum blocks with the skirt blown out of it. They weren't all run hard either.
 
Mopar Sam said:
You are right about that. Maybe its just where I live, but I have had several LS motors come in with a snapped rod, and a couple with spun cam bearings. One of the aluminum blocks with the skirt blown out of it. They weren't all run hard either.
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Yep, the blocks are inherently weak at the number 3 main bearing and the cranks don’t have enough overlap for 4 inch or longer arms in them.

The magazine hype is just that. Hype. Ben Strader in the Super Webinar a couple of weeks ago said it took everything they had to make a N/A LS live at 11k RPM. Actually they had trouble much lower than that and had to work up to 11k.

He also said that engine was the first EFI deal that made carb horsepower. Funny thing is the system looked like two Holley carbs, float bowls and all and they injected the fuel where the booster venturi was.

That’s nothing more than a FI carb. It was a tunnel ram deal. EFI has a hard time with making horsepower with a carb. That’s why Holley bought off NHRA to force Pro Stock to run their stuff. Many much better systems out there, so NHRA took the payola to wait until Holley came up with a system, and then forced everyone to EFI and the Holley system.

More than one Pro Stock engine builder has said they miss carbs. I’d bet everything I have if carbs and EFI were allowed to run together, there wouldn’t be many EFI cars on the track.
 
512Stroker said:
First "Motors" are electric
Engines burn fuel to create HP
Anyone can by a Hellcat, they are cool
But not everyone can build a twin turbo SBM engine.
Good luck no mater which route you go.
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OMG, this is hilarious. I was thinking about typing this exact response. A few years ago, I started a thread that asked, "If we have an engine in our car, why does it sit on motor mounts?" That was good for several pages of comments.
 
harrisonm said:
Is there room in an A Body (in my case a 69 Barracuda) for a twin turbo small block?
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You know...a few years back I went to my local track to hook up with a guy for some work, and there was a turbo A body there, but for the life of me I can remember if it was a single or a twin.
I do know for sure it had at least one turbo!!! LOL
 
Krooser said:
My dictionary sez a motor can be internal combustion or electric.

Us cool kids like to say Motor...
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Well being a former Cheese Head I wont argue with you.
But you need to get a new dictionary to read while you sip on that Cool - Aid.
 
I too have a ton of money in my 2 stroked SBM's, & I'll probably stay with them. The modern electronics baffle me & I've seen good & bad results with aftermarket fuel injection setups. I'll stick with my old faithful naturally aspirated small blocks even if they are considered antiques. LMAO
 
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