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SLOPAR72

SLOPAR72

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I need some help guys. A seller got me. He says what he sold me were X heads. No since in getting into details however I need details about actual current market values of X heads that have been purchased. PM is fine as this doesn't need to be anything else other than one member helping another. Most members prefer to keep their payment on things close to their vest and I fully understand.

Ideally X heads reconditioned. Dual springs, 3 angle Valvejob, Hardened exhaust seats, and Bronze guides. And literally ready to bolt on. I just need a small description, picture, and what you paid.

Thank you,
JW
 
Altho I didnt buy the x heads separately, I had that exact same machine work done. Dropped off completely assembled. And picked up re-assembled. New bronze guides, 3 angle job and I think 1 new set of valves. This was done almost 30 years ago and tab was $500(Cdn). Add in the value of the heads.... your looking around $800 at least. Just my opinion. If I was selling mine, price would be $800-1000.
Good luck straightening that out.
 
I'm only curious about one detail - did you get a pic with a big honkin' "X" cast between the spark plugs?

As far as prices, I see a bit of variety between $600.- to $1200.- for a pair. Machine shops here on the east coast have higher labor rates, so spending another $400 to $1000.- is possible. Hope that helps.
 
Demonic said:
I'm only curious about one detail - did you get a pic with a big honkin' "X" cast between the spark plugs?



As far as prices, I see a bit of variety between $600.- to $1200.- for a pair. Machine shops here on the east coast have higher labor rates, so spending another $400 to $1000.- is possible. Hope that helps.
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Not when I purchased them. I was off my game. However when I got it home I did realize it and called him. He said X heads that were smoothed for a show car. Guy seemed honest and I said OK. However when I popped a head off because of other issues and I will now own those I saw J and here we are. He bent me over and gave it to me dry. Just working on getting restitution.

JW
 
Did he smooth off the 7 digit casting number under the valve cover? That number alone will tell you if they are "true" X heads.
 
Not that it helps your situation, but I would rather start with a 1.88 J head and build that over a factory X head. Pretty much identical casting other than intake valve size. Most X heads have been rebuilt numerous times and will have sunk valve height.
 
Demonracer said:
Did he smooth off the 7 digit casting number under the valve cover? That number alone will tell you if they are "true" X heads.
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No, it says 915. Once I realized this I called him and he told me that is an X head and the X was ground off. As I said, he seemed honest and I accepted his answer. When I leaked the motor down last weekend I found 50% leakage on a cylinder going by the rings and knew this was not good. When the big "J" was stamped on the underside of the head it clicked and I knew he was bullcrap and here we are. He now claims he has no skin in the game.

People can throw darts at me all day about it's my fault blah, blah, blah. Yep, I own the bottom end issue. Gonna cost me to fix it. And he blatantly lied about that. However it's a seller misrepresenting something and why not accountability. Had he said they may not be X heads I would have asked for a refund and went right back wanting a refund. Whether he would have will never be answered. That's armchair quarterbacking.....

JW
 
replicaracer43 said:
Not that it helps your situation, but I would rather start with a 1.88 J head and build that over a factory X head. Pretty much identical casting other than intake valve size. Most X heads have been rebuilt numerous times and will have sunk valve height.
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No, it doesn't. But thanks for the input....

JW
 
I was busting your chops, I was just curious. We all make mistakes & if we learn from them great, if not we are destined to repeat them.
 
Demonracer said:
I was busting your chops, I was just curious. We all make mistakes & if we learn from them great, if not we are destined to repeat them.
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Oh it's all good.... I got myself in it.... Gonna get myself out of it lol.... In an honest moment my job and career take up more space than need be in my head right now and that's what made me flop on this one. A decent seller wouldn't have done this. Gonna fix it...

JW
 
Sorry for your situation, yes the seller is a deadbeat for saying they were X heads. However, the X on the head is right there for everyone to see. It would be pretty much impossible to miss. As soon as he told me they "ground" the X off, I would have called BS. I have never heard of such a stupid thing, I mean who does that ? Back to the seller, yah he sucks for misrepresenting the heads. But the buyer also needs to be smarter. It's a tough one.
 
Johnny Dart said:
Sorry for your situation, yes the seller is a deadbeat for saying they were X heads. However, the X on the head is right there for everyone to see. It would be pretty much impossible to miss. As soon as he told me they "ground" the X off, I would have called BS. I have never heard of such a stupid thing, I mean who does that ? Back to the seller, yah he sucks for misrepresenting the heads. But the buyer also needs to be smarter. It's a tough one.
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His story was the heads were on a show car. He ain't Christopher columbus on people doing things. I am taking a hit on this deal. The motor is off a full compression point from what he said. So that's not a cheap fix but I took ownership in some of this. But when someone ask you a direct question and it is after the fact and you lie about it then there is no excuse for his actions. As said, beat on me. I own some of it. However if you said these are X heads, great. Now that we know they aren't, you will provide me a set. And I am satisfied.

JW
 
Pics of orig valves(I believe 1.60/2.02) cleaned up. Orig red stripe springs. New guides. I also have receipt kicking around somewhere.
I started cleaning up ports on intake side.

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Didn't we talk about this on another thread or two? Or Deja Vu?
 
Your heads allegedly have the X ground off. Cores for an UNMOLESTED X head set up are 250-400, J heads are 100-200. Your heads are severely value impaired and worth no more than a set of J's at this point. JMO

If you bought this because X heads are better and than a J head, you got snowed. The heads are virtually the same in stock form with no performance advantage to either. An X head with a ground of X has ZERO additional value over a J head, so you are in a spot there too.

If there are other issues and this is from a shop, you may have a claim. A person, you might have an issue not only with proving deception, If he got it from someone else, but also with collection. The old "to my best knowledge when I bought it" defense... You are next in that chain because you didn't do the dilligence.

There is also a deal with what's called puffing. Look into it because it's another landmine for you in a court case.

I'm not bagging on you, just pointing out the defenses here and the hurdles you are going to have to clear. Hope you get it sorted out.
 
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crackedback said:
Your heads have the X ground off. Cores for an UNMOLESTED X head set up are 250-400, J heads are 100-200. Your heads are severely value impaired and worth no more than a set of J's at this point. JMO
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They are 915's, a J,Z, or O
 
SLOPAR72 said:
His story was the heads were on a show car. He ain't Christopher columbus on people doing things. I am taking a hit on this deal. The motor is off a full compression point from what he said. So that's not a cheap fix but I took ownership in some of this. But when someone ask you a direct question and it is after the fact and you lie about it then there is no excuse for his actions. As said, beat on me. I own some of it. However if you said these are X heads, great. Now that we know they aren't, you will provide me a set. And I am satisfied.

JW
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I hate to tell you but I’m not surprised it’s a point low on compression. They almost always are, because guys refuse to measure the CR like they should.

At any rate, it all sucks buttermilk.
 
toolmanmike said:
They are 915's, a J,Z, or O
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I worded that poorly to start and thought I cleared it up. The issue is that regardless of the number on the head, the MONEY item, that "X", is GONE!!!

I added one word... surprising how little left out, can make a BIG difference. Allegedly... :)

I hope you can get back to ground zero here if lucky.
 
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