NASCAR Sucks!

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For better or for worse, I think the recent actions taken by nascar will turn off a majority of its remaining fans.
It will be interesting to see how many, if any, new fans are brought in with these recent actions.
 
There is no reason that the cars can't be closer to their production roots.... after all, touring car racing is popular worldwide and those cars are considerably more production-like than your average American "stock" car.

If a car company wants an aerodynamic advantage, let them engineer it into their production cars like in the 60's. Don't just give everyone the same template to shape a plastic body to form. What's the point? NASCAR used to be about the engineering, bending of the rules and the skill of the drivers, now it's all about the advertising and driver marketing revenue.
 
DemonDave said:
There is no reason that the cars can't be closer to their production roots.... after all, touring car racing is popular worldwide and those cars are considerably more production-like than your average American "stock" car.

If a car company wants an aerodynamic advantage, let them engineer it into their production cars like in the 60's. Don't just give everyone the same template to shape a plastic body to form. What's the point? NASCAR used to be about the engineering, bending of the rules and the skill of the drivers, now it's all about the advertising and driver marketing revenue.
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NASCAR influence? Naaaahhhh :lol:
 
Ddaddy said:
You never did...now they just aren’t going to ask you too.
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I don't watch it and any small circle tracks I have been to always ask people to rise. Their show, not mine. Won't change my perspective on it anyhoo but it will for some of their current fans.

The company I work for is literally across the street from RIR. When the owner purchased the property in 2006 he started selling parking spots for RV's and such. He killed it.... Fast forward to 2020 and he no longer offers it. No demand.

No matter what they do Nascar is in trouble. If it weren't for TV they would be toast. Good luck to em', they need it and that still won't fix the problem...

JW
 
Bubba need stick to shrimpin.

Nascar, carjacked by the lions n blm.

Bacon Lettuce Mayonnaise strikes again!
 
ls23h said:
.. Once I see teams and drivers kneel during the national anthem I’m 100% done forever. ... F’em!
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This man is an official, NASCAR team owners are taking a harder stance on who does what wearing their colors.
 
69_340_GTS said:
So what exact factory parts on those cars do think were used on the NASCAR stock cars back in those days? A couple body panels. That's all. Been that way since sometime in the '60s.
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FWIW..... IIRC, NASCAR went to tube frame construction with attached panels in 1973. Before that, they were true stock-body based cars.

NASCAR's early competition for fans was with USAC and open wheel race cars. They were competing for race fans, not for general sports fans. Car racing never seems to compete very well with general stadium sports for fans; it draws a different, and very specific fan base. NASCAR wanted to jump into the general sports fan arena, and has failed; the urge to get a broader advertising base is understandable, but car racing just does not sell as broadly.

That led to NASCAR falling for the 'sports social crowd' phenomenon..... catering to the partying and social types when they were there. But that is the problem with that crowd.. they will go to certain sporting events for a while.... then when they decide it is not longer fashionable, or it gets old..... presto, they are gone... off to a different sports hangout. Suddenly, a ton of fans lost interest and left.

It was compounded becasue NASCAR had abandoned their old true racing fans; they abandoned the tracks and the people who brought them to prominance. And those folks felt jilted and drifted away. Plus, the spread nationwide chasing the general sports fan market went too far from their roots in the SE USA.

So several strategic mistakes all piling up IMHO....just like USAC.
 
nm9stheham said:
FWIW..... IIRC, NASCAR went to tube frame construction with attached panels in 1973. Before that, they were true stock-body based cars.
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I still say sometime in the mid '60s, not much was "stock" anymore. I Have known this since the '70s when I first became interested in NASCAR. Various articles you can find will agree. Here is an example:

"...In 1966, Holman/Moody built the first “half chassis” car by grafting a Ford Galaxie front clip to a Fairlane. The next season the front clip would be tubular, and soon after that NASCAR wanted to shift the focus to the driving and the drivers, rather than the cars. Every NASCAR stock car had (and still has) a 5.8 liter (~350 cubic inches) naturally-aspirated pushrod V8, 4 speed manual transmission, and a solid rear axle (non-independent rear suspension). The last road car with this configuration was sold in the early 70’s. Ford’s last year for the big block/4 speed/floating rear axle was 1971.

During 1970’s NASCAR teams had been running fully custom tube frames for a few years. They had very long hoods, mid-mounted engines with the driver’s seat closer to the rear axle than it would be in a production 2 door/4 seater car. The new GM, Ford and Chrysler models for the late 70’s-early 80’s were front wheel drive, small 4-cylinder and V6 engines, much smaller unibody construction not at all suitable for high speed oval racing. Fuel consumption and horsepower were way down, and the strong nodular iron-cased 4 speed manuals were traded out for lighter-duty Japanese made aluminum cased 5 speeds.

So the divergence started not too long after the beginning of NASCAR, but the major difference in move from body on frame to fiberglass or aluminum panels on full tube frames started shortly after 1966..." https://www.quora.com/When-did-NASC...rs-Was-the-decision-controversial-at-the-time
 
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