Need a favor from those with SBM and power steering.

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JoePole1

JoePole1

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Hey guys. I have tagged on to another thread where I am fighting a screech over 2000 RPM coming from PS/fan/crank. I am noticing some movement in the PS pump with increased RPM.
With your car running and standing at the drivers fender, is it normal to see movement at the pulley while increasing RPM? Almost like the pulley is moving towards the engine slightly.
Not sure if this is supposed to be rock solid or not.

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Power Steering Noise
 
Looking at your pump pic is looks like is lean in toward the motor (Red arrow) Maybe a washer under the bracket on the two bolts (yellow) may set the angle straighter. If it doesn't help you can take em out. Just a thought.
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Kendog 170 said:
Looking at your pump pic is looks like is lean in toward the motor (Red arrow) Maybe a washer under the bracket on the two bolts (yellow) may set the angle straighter. If it doesn't help you can take em out. Just a thought.View attachment 1715557140
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Thanks Kendog. I just put those in. I was just messing around with it some more and with the belt loose and a 1/2 inch ratchet in the adjuster hole, pulled the bracket towards the radiator, made it stop. I shimmed it more in that directions but still squeels. You would think it would get worse.

Edit. I added another washer behind the PS pump and not at the water pump.
 
I don't want to have 2 of the same threads going at once. For this one would like to know about the original question please.
 
Looks like you have the wrong parts on your car. The alignment will never be correct with that set up. What year car do you have? And what year pump do you have? looks like you are mismatched.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
Looks like you have the wrong parts on your car. The alignment will never be correct with that set up. What year car do you have? And what year pump do you have? looks like you are mismatched.
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That may be the case but has been fine for about 10 years. Saginaw pump. See my signature for details. Got any input on your set-up?
 
Can anybody help a brother out? Fire it up and give a few generous revs while closely watching the pump/pulley?
This thing has been killing me for a couple of months. Feel like I have eliminated everything. Gotta be missing something.
 
There should be no movement at the mounting brackets, or the pulleys. If the pulley is moving in, and out, I would change the pump. If it moves at the brackets, do whatever it takes to stabilize the pump, and align the pulley.
 
I did replace the pump due to some lateral play in the shaft but the replacement pump play was worse and also made the same screach. I put my original back in.
 
My pump wobbles like hell. Doesn't screech though. I had an alternator that screeched that drove me nuts years ago and I finally got it aligned right.
 
Yeah. That's E'berg. He lives by me and I would go that route except that my set-up (even with the misaligned pulleys and assuming they have always been misaligned) has been rock solid for many years. Why all of the sudden would the alignment be the issue? I am thinking of trying the pulley groove sand blast. Unfortunately I gotta pull the pump....Again. That means coolant and PS fluid dump....Again. Waaa waaaa.
 
Very confusing for me too. When I changed my whole engine front end, the only thing not changed was my crank pulley. Still squealed. Maybe that is what is squealing.

The only thing that stopped it was the Dayco electric motor belt.
 
The thing that kills me is that it's a simple system. Not like rebuilding a transmission or performing rocket surgery. Shouldn't be this difficult.
 
Sorry I don’t know the answer, but over the years have seen many a P/S pump not lined up on a SBM. I’ve had several the same way and the only issues I ever had was for the belt to make some noise while revving in neutral due to the fan.

Botton line is I don’t believe the small amount of possible misalignment is the issue and most likely it’s the fan pulley that is slipping.

I recently converted to a serpentine setup to cure the belt issue with the A/C but even with that I had to make some modifications to the spacing to get things lined up correctly.
 
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Mopar73340 said:
Sorry I don’t know the answer, but over the years have seen many a P/S pump not lined up on a SBM. I’ve had several the same way and the only issues I ever had was for the belt to make some noise while revving in neutral due to the fan.

Botton line is I don’t believe the small amount of possible misalignment is the issue and most likely it’s the fan pulley that is slipping.

I recently converted to a serpentine setup to cure the belt issue with the A/C but even with that I had to make some modifications to the spacing to get things lined up correctly.
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The fan causing this is a great thought.

Joe, could you take off your fan and just run the water pump? I would try it on mine but I have the really narrow Hayden 2947 fan clutch and I don’t think I have enough swear words left to take it off again. Clearance is so tight it is about impossible.
 
Great input. Finally some progress. Pulled the clutch/fan assembly and fired it up. Noise was noticeably less. Pulled the fan pulley and took a file to both sides of the v groove. Also same to the PS pump pulley in the car. In hindsight I should have done one at a time. Fired it up and quieter yet and possibly at higher rpm. Snugged the belt down tight and the screech now comes in about 3000 RPM and definitely not nearly as loud. Before it would make me cringe. Tolerable now. Looks like it may be from the Fan pulley. I'm headed to The Carlisle Chrysler Nationals this weekend and will be looking for pulleys. If not I can probably scuff these up better. Someone on Mike69cuda's thread above mentioned sand blasting the pulleys. Thanks for all of your help!!!!!!
 
JoePole1 said:
That may be the case but has been fine for about 10 years. Saginaw pump. See my signature for details. Got any input on your set-up?
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I only asked a simple question. Your answer was sarcastic "see my signature". My input on my setup would have been to offer you the correct parts to fix your car. I have many many parts and a 340 here with AC and PS. I see you have AC and I see you have a saginaw pump. I was only asking the question to help you. Sand blasting your pulley is a temporary fix and only will destroy belts faster. I just brought over 100 pulleys and several pumps home for 340's from a large collection. I could have brought what you needed to carlisle. Have fun its your problem now. By the pictures your assembly is totally wrong. Your missing something can you figure out what it is? Like I said Have fun

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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. I meant nothing sarcastic at all. If you knew me you would see that I appreciate all who contribute and are willing to help a total stranger out. I just stated that my info was right there instead of typing it out on two different treads. Sheeesh. My comments about my set-up stands. Has been fine for about 10 years so why now? 10k miles. Same pulley's, Same PS pump, Water pump, same crank dampener and same belt. We all know that Ma Mopar and the aftermarket made lots of changes over 47 years. I'm sure it's not factory original. I asked for input from you or anyone else's set-up. See post 1. Yes it is my problem. Always has been. Thank you for the helpful pics.

This is a huge problem with today's internet, texting and email IMO. Without speaking to someone in person or on the phone you cannot accurately judge a persons tone of voice, facial expressions or other interaction feedback which leads to misunderstandings. And this is NOT aimed at OMM. General statement.
 
I really can't tell for sure that you have the triangle bracket that goes on the two lower water pump bolts. and it looks like your spacer is to short. I have 2 both styles laying on the garage floor I can get pics when it stops raining.

The pics above that I posted are of a 340 with a 318 power steering pump. A 340 performance pump the pulley is spoked not solid. Post some pics of your bracketry. I have tons of parts here and the parts you are missing are yours for shipping cost.

The reason I asked what year your car is ? Spool mount K-members take a different pump. You can put a biscuit style k-member pump in a spool type K car but you cannot go the other way . The pressure line hits the K. If I had what you need I was going to offer my help. I am an old scrooge and take people wrong at times. It doesn't take much for me to ignore some members here as most will tell you. I try and help when I can but I am also still learning I am new to these cars. LOL Steve
 
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