Max effort cam for low comp 318

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That cam with some magnum heads with the guides cut and good headers would be a nice package. I would also spring it to rpm a little higher to be able to hold the gear a little longer on a road course. Sometimes shifting slows you down even though you’re past the hp peak.
 
Hysteric, that seems like an insane amount of cam for a stock bottom end 318, what sort of heads is he running? Closing the intake valve earlier is going to help with cylinder pressure, so I guess that's where the 108 LSA comes into it.

It does to me as well but it seems to work. Stock heads with just a clean up with probably a 1.84 hemi 6 and 1.6's valves being the only real change I would imagine. This is just a cheap throw together for a bracket car. The large cam makes up for the small ports. I had that same cam in a 360 with very mildly ported 318 heads and it was insane how quick that thing accelerated and was still pulling hard @ 6000 rpm where the limiter was set.
 
Aussie made 4 speed with ratios of
3.32-2.00-1.43-1.00, which might make things marginally worse,

Yeah, I know, this post is gonna be a rambler, but you'll figure it out. For the short version just read the last paragraph.
The splits in your Aussie trans are;.60-.715-.70 , which are very similar to the American-made , Commando box (which is what I run on the street) with 3.09-1.92-1.40-1.00 with splits of .62-.73-.714
I don't see a big deal

See; the actual ratio numbers are less important to you, than are the splits; the closer together the 2-3 is for you, the more time you can keep your Low-C 318 on the top of the power curve, and so, that would be the fast way around the track. After that is established, you can move the shift up or down with rear gearing.
When stuck with a certain set of splits, they determine your powerband requirement.
For instance, your 2-3 split is .715.. So whatever you rev it to in Second, you can expect the Rs to fall to .715 of that, going into third.
So, if you shift at 6000, you can expect 4290. and your powerband requirement is 6000 less 4290=1710 rpm .
But if you shift at 5500, you can expect the Rs to drop to 3933, for a requirement of 1568.
Knowing this, you can select the LSA that best spans this requirement.There is no good reason to stretch a 5000 rpm cam to 6000 rpm; the power has long ago fallen to less than if you had shifted at the proper place.
Imo, it is better to have more power at the lower rpm, coming out of the corner, where you really need to get the engine back up on the cam, than to over-rev third gear at the top. But that would kindof depend on the ratio of slow turns to long straights. Only you know.
In any case, you can now figure out exactly at what rpm your engine needs to be,with total overall gearing you have, and cam it to put the power where it needs to be, for the most number of times.
If you got a lotta high-speed sweepers, and your cam peaks at 4800, but you are reving to 6000; that's messed up; either re-gear it, or Up-shift!
But if you got a lot of slow corners and you're coming out at 3000, on a 5700 rpm power-peak; that's messed up; either re-gear, or down-shift!
Keep the engine on the cam.
If your powerband needs to be 1568, then you gotta keep the Rs between 3933 and 5500, plus a lil overrun of say 300 so the outshift would be 5800.
If you need a powerpeak of 5500 this is gonna require a cam of about 240@.050.. Which is mighty big for an 8/1 engine. Depending on the cam's design,at 3933 rpm it's probably gonna be starting into the soft zone. I wouldn't do it, with anything but a fast ramp solid-lifter design.
To keep the power from falling away too rapidly at your stated rpms of 3000 to 3500, with an 8/1 engine, is gonna require a cam, with a very early closing intake valve. But it's gonna have to snap open to get the intake flowing. They don't make cams like that. So you have a choice; Cam for the slow-corners, or cam for the long straights.
Or re-gear the combo to prevent getting so far off the cam in the first place. Which, since you're not really using 4th at all, and way over-running 3rd anyway; it seems a no-brainer to me, to drop that 3.15 like it's on fire,lol.

Ok, now; IMO you already have a reasonably good .050 cam to work with, it just has really really excessivly long slow ramps on it. It is spec'd at 268/276... but that spec is at .008 tappet rise. IIRC; it's a solid 8 degrees bigger when measured as a Comp-Cam is, at .006 tappet rise . But at .008 tappet rise, with nominally 1.5 ratio rocker arms, the valves are still open; 1.5x.008=.012 .. That is killing your pressure at slow rpms say 3000 to 3500,lol.
But it gets worse that intake valve, seat to seat has an actual duration of over 300 degrees.... and the engine cannot start to build compression until that dang intake finally stops leaking.
At 6000rpm, this is not a big deal, because the time for the intake charge to pass thru that slit, is cut in half compared to at 3000.
A trick I have used is to put solid lifters on that Mopar cam. Then I can tell it when to close, by varying the lash.But the lash eats up the lift, so in compensation, I installed 1.6 arms, for about 6.67% more lift than the nominal 1.5 stamped ones. This is plenty compensation. Now you can set the actual closing intake point to 268 actual degrees, instead of over 300, and at lower rpms, the engine sees that as a smaller cam, much smaller, and so the pressure rises, and with it, the low-rpm power. But at high rpm, it's still a 268 cam,lol, cuz you made it so when you set the lash.
The truth is, I wouldn't use that Mopar cam in your application. The low-Compression engine cannot really afford it, and it's gonna cost more money to install adjustable valve gear, plus solid lifters, than to just select a fast-ramp cam in the first place. That 340 cam by it's gentle-ramps is designed to last the life of the engine. A fast-ramp design might be a lot harder on the valve gear, so when you feel the power go away, something has probably wore out. Be prepared so you don't have to miss too many meets.

Last paragraph, lol.
However, I'm not ready to throw that 268 Mopar cam under the bus just yet. I would fix the gearing first. If you get your slow corners up closer to 4000rpm, those long ramps are gonna become waaaaay less important. There might be an additional 30 or more horsepower at 4000, than at 3250.
Yeah, I know, this post is a rambler, but you'll figure it out.
 
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Looks like I'm shopping for a new diff centre then, it's currently an open diff, so some sort of LSD would also help, especially out of the low speed corners. Here is a bit of on track action if you are interested.



Last time out, I managed to punch through tree rocker arms at the same time, so I may have to upgrade the rocker gear anyway. That said, these are original factory rockers from the 70's and it's the first mechanical failure I've had in 8 years of running it. I'm actually surprised that this is the first time this has happened:

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So I've been looking into gear ratio changes, nothing is going to be easy or cheap because the ratios I would want were never offered in a diff that is a direct fit for my car unless a rare 3.38 M3 diff falls out of a tree. That said, the following ring and pinion sets could be swapped into my current diff:

3.91 = 186 kmh @ 6000 4344
3.73 = 195 kmh @ 6000 4144
3.64 = 200 kmh @ 6000 4044
3.46 = 211 kmh @ 6000 3844
3.38 = 215 kmh @ 6000 3756
3.23 = 225 kmh @ 6000 3589
3.15 = 231 kmh @ 6000 3500

Just wanted to see how the numbers stack up with regard to top speed and the RPM shift from 3500 rpm with the current 3.15 ratio. The other track I might go to has a downhill run on the main straight, so it might actually top out given the assistance of gravity. If you watched the video above on the regular track, you would probably notice that after shifting into top on the main straight, it really hasn't got much left in it in terms of acceleration.

Shifting into top at say 5600 using the 0.7 split puts me at 3920, so somewhere between 3.46 and 3.64 seems like it might be the go with a tighter power band. That would probably leave me with only one second gear corner, more RPM thorough most corners and into top in 2 or 3 more places in the track.
 
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