323 355 or 373 gears??

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I run 323 gear braced 8 3/4 in my 440/500 Stroker 727 B&M holeshot converter stalls around 2800 3" Exhaust , 375/50/15 Street slicks 3" mini tub. I can drive to the dragway next state over and it still does 11:7 1/4. No issues with rearend yet.
 
I'm running 205/65-15s on the front
On US indy mags, 15x7 up front, 15x8 out back
Both sets small bolt pattern...and still readily available in that size
 
Dana is way over-kill, save some money here. My car, 3.55 w/ 14" tires= 3100 RPM at 65mph. Who goes 65mph anymore? You might want to consider 3.23.


Strike one and 2...

Dana's are cheaper and stronger. They are the way to go.

14" tires? That is the wheel diameter whick has ZERO bearing on the height of the tire or RPM at cruise speed.
 
planning on running a 408 stroker from blue print engines, with 727 trans and Dana 60 rear end with truetrac.

tires will be BF 275 60r15 or 295 50r15 (haven’t decided) if any one has photos that would help me out.

do more street driving than I will be racing, and like to cruise on the highway around 80 haha. Was thinking 355 gears, what rpm would that put me at 80, and would that still give me a ton of off the line pull?


Couple other questions:

1- do you have to move the stock gas tank with the Dana 60 rear end
2- need help with what to do to rear end and front end suspension

Thanks!

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You'll love the tru-trac. Best option out there.

Here is a link that will assist you. Speed/Tire/RPM calculator

With the 295/50r15 tire and 3.23 gears it will turn 2500@61MPH. Without an overdrive you might tolerate 3.55's but I wouldn't go beyond that on if you highway it much. To give you an idea of what a dynamic difference that would make for you, I run 4.56 gears and turn 2600@ 60mph. You want the taller tire.

Moving the rear back will depend on the rear end cover you use. I needed to shim mine back but I also run a welded factory replica fuel tank. A stock tank and a stock over should fit. Shimming it back is easy.

Suspension aside from springs or Tbars get some viking adjustable shocks. I'd call bill at RMS. He wons the site I linked you to.
 
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You'll love the tru-trac. Best option out there.

Here is a link that will assist you. Speed/Tire/RPM calculator

With the taller tire (which is the one you should run) and 3.23 gears it will turn 2500@61MPH. Without an overdrive you might tolerate 3.55's but I wouldn't go beyond that on if you highway it much. To give you an idea of what a dynamic difference that would make for you, I run 4.56 gears and turn 2600@ 60mph

Moving the rear back will depend on the rear end cover you use. I needed to shim mine back but I also run a welded factory replica fuel tank. A stock tank and a stock over should fit. Shimming it back is easy.

Suspension aside from springs or Tbars get some viking adjustable shocks. I'd call bill at RMS. He wons the site I linked you to.


Awesome thank you so much! Huge help! I will give him a call

Want to see if blueprint will do a 4L80 tranny
 
Awesome thank you so much! Huge help! I will give him a call

Want to see if blueprint will do a 4L80 tranny


I run a gear vendors overdrive. Check them out. YOu can use the 727 and have an OD that you'll never break. They are what the drag week guys use.
 
3:55 with that 275 60 15 will feel like 3:23 cruise easy. But I would go with 3:91 with the 275 60 15 so it would feel like 3:55 with that 28 inch tire
 
Blueprint doesn’t offer 4L80’s with there stuff. Think I’m going to go that route, 4 gear overdrive, allows me to run taller gears and still get good top speed, and can plug into it and program shift points
 
I don’t have a center console, just put it through the floor with a high rise shaft?
 
Hey guys new to the forums, just got a 67 barracuda notch back last week!

planning on running a 408 stroker from blue print engines, with 727 trans and Dana 60 rear end with truetrac.

tires will be BF 275 60r15 or 295 50r15 (haven’t decided) if any one has photos that would help me out.

do more street driving than I will be racing, and like to cruise on the highway around 80 haha. Was thinking 355 gears, what rpm would that put me at 80, and would that still give me a ton of off the line pull?


Couple other questions:

1- do you have to move the stock gas tank with the Dana 60 rear end
2- need help with what to do to rear end and front end suspension


This is all new to me I’m a Jeep guy,
Thanks!

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That's gonna be a nice car. Go with the Dana. Overkill is what drive trains are supposed to be. I say you're going to run enough tire height to warrant a 4.10 or 4.30 gear. Don't be skeered. You'll love it.
 
That's gonna be a nice car. Go with the Dana. Overkill is what drive trains are supposed to be. I say you're going to run enough tire height to warrant a 4.10 or 4.30 gear. Don't be skeered. You'll love it.

I like the way you think!
Go big or go home haha
 
I like the way you think!
Go big or go home haha

Well, I had a 65 Valiant years ago with a hot 360, stout 904 and 4.30 gears. Car had 28x11.50/15s on the back. I drove that car to work 12 miles one way everyday for almost four years......on the interstate. Just keeping it at 55 it turned like 2850. It had a pretty tight PTC converter that would flash around 3300 when I launched at the track. Car ran consistent 11.40s. We even drove it with the local Mopar club up to Indian Springs Park from Macon a few times. That's a little over 40 miles one way.
 
Well, I had a 65 Valiant years ago with a hot 360, stout 904 and 4.30 gears. Car had 28x11.50/15s on the back. I drove that car to work 12 miles one way everyday for almost four years......on the interstate. Just keeping it at 55 it turned like 2850. It had a pretty tight PTC converter that would flash around 3300 when I launched at the track. Car ran consistent 11.40s. We even drove it with the local Mopar club up to Indian Springs Park from Macon a few times. That's a little over 40 miles one way.

Yupp that’s what I’m looking for, good driver I can take in some road trips, but make good power. I’d love to be low 11’s but I don’t think that will happen with just a blueprint 408?

def would like Nos but worth voiding there Warrenty, idk
 
Yupp that’s what I’m looking for, good driver I can take in some road trips, but make good power. I’d love to be low 11’s but I don’t think that will happen with just a blueprint 408?

def would like Nos but worth voiding there Warrenty, idk
you're asking the wrong guy
@Johnny Mac
 
So I agree- but I actually already have a Dana 60 I’m not using for my Jeep. Plan to make it a cruiser till my blueprint Warrenty runs out than look at blowers/nitrous/trans brakes Ext. I went Dana 30, Dana 44, than Sterling 10.5 on my YJ, shoulda just spent the money on the 10.5 right away, plus I already have a 60 laying in my yard :)

So your thinking 323, with 3100 rpm at 65 I agree I would think 323 would be better for me. Could always change the gears up when I want to make it more of a dragged.

The one thing I hate is slow off the line, I want it to launch


If your looking for launch 4.11 would be best but 3.55 on the street are fun and peppy!
 
I had almost no trouble fitting 325/50-15 on 10s into the factory tubs of my LOWERED 68 Barracuda FB. Just offset spring and some accurate metal stretching. I wanted to run a pair of kidney-bean slot mags I had with a 4.5 bs; so I had to get the rear end narrowed.

295/50-15s fit with no mods whatsoever, except of course, the springs had to be moved.
For 275/60-15s I had to move the axle back a tad, which I did with fabricated spacers between the front spring perch and the spring mount. I think I got 3/8 on that deal. Whatever it was,it was the max amount on the existing factory studs, and it was enough.
If you drive like I do around corners on city streets, you will need 295s, for sideways-sliding rubber, and power-sliding. Anything less and you will be doing 180*s in traffic. The thing is, while sliding, the brakes make it worse and as soon as the wheels stop turning, you are in an uncontrollable slide, usually a spin..
But if you are more of a point and shoot kind of guy, then none of those sizes, in BFG/Coopers are worth a fart. So you might as well go with the tallest; I think they have a slightly better traction patch, plus you can run more pressure in the tall boys. My 295s on 10s run at 24psi to keep the tread flat to the road.
>Because of the traction issues on the street, it doesn't much matter what rear-end you run (short of a 7.25) nor what gears you run, cuz the tires will be spinning to past most speed limits anyways.
>If you have more than about a 12/1 starter gear with a lo-stall TC, first gear becomes too low to be useful.
On the street, more stall does the same thing... because it's not actually the gears that are the problem, really it is the amount of torque getting to the road that is the issue.
>In my experience 295 BFG/Cobras take about 2000 calculated foot pounds to break traction, and they need about 2500 to powerslide with any degree of control.
>So if you had a 318, that put down just 130 ftlbs at 2000 rpm stall; then it would need a starter gear of 15.38, which, with a 2.45 low gear means 6.30s. But that is with zero TM (TorqueMultiplication) inside the TC, which never happens. Most TCs are gonna have, at ZERO mph, a hydraulic TM of about 1.8, so,6.30/1.8- 3.55s will break the tires loose. However, 3.55s may not sustain the spin for very far. But worse is that the TC will start dropping TM immediately as the car gains speed, and it will lose TM at a faster rate than the poor 318 can build with rpm.
>But with a stroker, and say a 2800TC, your engine output could be what?, pushing 350ftlbs? (just guessing). Lets just say yes, then to break traction, you would need 2000/350= a starter gear of just 5.71. And if your TC also has a 1.8 multiplier then 5.81/1.8=3.17, and with a 2.45 low gear, this is further reduced to 1.30 rear gear. See what I mean...
But to sustain a good second gear powerslide, you might need 3000 ftlbs so; 3000/350=857, and divide by 2.45=3.50 rear gear at 1.0 in the TC which never happens, lol. At 35 mph, your TC might be down to 1.3 so 3.50/1.3=2.69 rear gear.
Like I said, I ran every gear you can imagine with my Hi-Torque 367.
The point is, just run what you got for a while and see how you like it. Stroker-torque is baddazz.
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I only have a 367, but I ran it with almost every gear you can imagine from 2.76 to 4.30s, and a few beyond that too. But I have a clutch. 3.23s were my favorite, until I got a GVod. Then I ran 4.30s for a while. Eventually I got a lower first gear for the trans, and then went to 3.55s.
My second gear is 3.55x1.92 x no TC, so 6.816 . This engine, in second gear, will initiate a spin anywhere below 50 mph . At 35mph she is spinning ~3000. It's a stomp-it and slide deal, backing off as may be required to rear-steer the car.
For that to be possible my engine must be putting down;
3000/6.816=440 ftlbs at 3000 rpm. Or more likely, the 295s don't take 3000ftlbs to break traction at 35 mph.
So lets do yours again at 350 ftlbs to sustain a slide with a 2800ftlb requirement. I get 3.91s now.But if you had 388 ftlbs then 3.55s. The point here is that for every 1% more torque your engine makes, you can drop the same amount of rear gear.

I think the point is to run what you got and let it tell you if or where it is lacking. This way you get it right on the first try.

As for the TC, you kindof want the stall to be such that it is more or less locked up at your cruising speed, strictly to reduce the heat of slippage.
So; with 275/60-15s (88" roll-out), for ZERO-slip;I get
With 3.55s, 65=2770, 85=3620
With 3.23s, 65=2520, 85=3300
With 2.94s, 65=2290, 85=3000
With 2.94s, 65=2420, 85=3160, with 295/50-15s

Pick your poison.
 
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Wow Aj thank you man mind blown !

I think I’ll do 3:55 and 295 50’s

I see what you mean having to move the axle back a tad, more room in the rear than the front.
 
I didn't see what gear is in the dana... you have the Dana, USE IT!!!

As long as the cover isn't one of those fancy aluminum jobs with cap preload adjusters or the rear is not moved rearward, you should be fine. Stock axle location and basic dana cover, should be good to go.

3.54 is a good gear for the Dana.
 
I think I’ll do 3:55 and 295 50’
You can't go wrong with this choice. unless you had maybe a 1700 stall,lol.
The 295s are only 26.6 tall and mine fit in the stock axle location, which is good, cuz that 3/8" I had taken for the 275/60s, put the shocks to tapping on the tank-flange. Which of course, I had to do something about. Thankfully, a big pry-bar on a 4-post lift, made short work of that.

BTW
I should add that I have never had either a stroker or a bigblock, just my hi-torque 367, which does it's thing thru TM,Torque-Multiplication. It's hi-torque relative to a stocker. It may not,lol, compete with a stroker as to absolute numbers.
So if another member who does have a stroker,recommends something different that makes sense, I gotta recommend that you probably should follow his advice. He may already have spent the time,dollars, and effort to dial in his combo. Just make sure you don't build a race car if you truly want a streeter, and vice-versa.
 
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Yeah sorry 3:54. Now that we got that figured out.. :)

Want to tighten my suspension up, def thinking sway bar in the front. Heard about super stock shocks, what should I do about my suspension?
 
I am a little confused about the fuel tank question. Will the stock fuel tank work with a Dana 60? Was that the question ? Why would the differential make any difference ? Why would the stock fuel tank be a major concern ? Custom tanks are not real expensive in the total scheme of what you seem to be talking about with this build. Obviously the Dana was not an option so yours would need to be custom modified to fit, in which case you can make it any width that you want. Want it to launch and still cruise the hi-ways ? Get an overdrive from Gear Vendors. It will take any power you can throw at it, especially since you say it would be primarily a street car.
But you need a plan before you spend anything. To many different directions, need to narrow your wants to something possible and practical if you don't want to constantly change things.
(1) Result expected . (2) How much money are you willing to spend to get it.
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