"Brutalizing the extractor"
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pishta
I know I'm right....
When we had a hang fire in an M16, sometimes we had to get physical with it to extract it. Usually we would pull on the charging handle while hitting the butt plate on the ground, worked every time.
Matt Miller
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I sure remember that, snapped some buffer springs in my time.
Cope
Fusing with fire
Tap, Rack, Bang, BOOM!
Thats how i was taught...
I never like slingshoting the slide or bolt.
It took me probably 2 years to be ok with the Hammer drop on my sig. It just seems dangerous, even tho the firing pin is covered....
AR, same thing. Do not let that bolt slam home on a chambered round. Whill 99.9 percent it won't go off. It just might.
Heres a fun story.
I had a round get stuck in my 308 at the range. I flagged the RO and informed him of the issue. We bring the gun into the club house and the RO hands me off to some guy behind the desk.
FIRST THING HE ASKS....
is it a live round??
(Now i was RSO at lake chabot gun club for a while.)
I replied, well if we are gonna make assumptions, Then lets just assume it is........
It was...
I couldn't believe that guy.
Thats how i was taught...
I never like slingshoting the slide or bolt.
It took me probably 2 years to be ok with the Hammer drop on my sig. It just seems dangerous, even tho the firing pin is covered....
AR, same thing. Do not let that bolt slam home on a chambered round. Whill 99.9 percent it won't go off. It just might.
Heres a fun story.
I had a round get stuck in my 308 at the range. I flagged the RO and informed him of the issue. We bring the gun into the club house and the RO hands me off to some guy behind the desk.
FIRST THING HE ASKS....
is it a live round??
(Now i was RSO at lake chabot gun club for a while.)
I replied, well if we are gonna make assumptions, Then lets just assume it is........
It was...
I couldn't believe that guy.
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Lone Yankee
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The Mighty M1 is a finicky old beast that requires a ton of special handling. Using 'modern' firearms can make a fella spoiled for their straightforward and ease of use.
Thank you for sharing with us.
Thank you for sharing with us.
67Dart273
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I've always had firearms. When I was young (never shot competition) my idea of "great fun" was to plink soda cans with a 44. I've had a number of 357/ 44s along with a few others. Nowadays, I'm so lame, it's downright painful. I don't shoot "for fun" anymore.
pishta
I know I'm right....
Hangfire? SPORT-FIRE!
Slap magazine up
Pull charging handle to rear
Observe extracting round
Release charging handle
Tap forward assist
FIRE next round
Has something changed in 30 years? You have to let the bolt go 'home' (release the bolt catch) under spring pressure to chamber a round or the locking lugs wont seat and it wont fire unless you push the forward assist. You can't have a round chambered in an AR15/M16 without the bolt home...? We had to practice chambering a round in complete silence, slowly riding the bolt home and then pushing the forward assist to lock the bolt home. The original M16 did not have the forward assist like the A1 and later variants and was an issue for the first units to get 'the black rifle' in Vietnam. The lug would not lock in when dirty or sandy and the weapon would not fire, not good. The forward assist in the A1 fixed this and diligent cleaning was made mandatory.
Cope
Fusing with fire
Posted before watching the video.
I thought that it was in reference to a falure of batterie.
Tap the magazine up.
Rack the charge handle
Bang the forward assist
Fire.
Works almost never.
I was trained as a civilian so it could be different.
There is an iteresting article about how the forward assist came to be.
I believe the navy was first to be issued the new platform and had no provisions to force a round into batterie.
Then the army came in and said.
We need a button to push that will render the weapon useless.
Thats the short version of it.
I thought that it was in reference to a falure of batterie.
Tap the magazine up.
Rack the charge handle
Bang the forward assist
Fire.
Works almost never.
I was trained as a civilian so it could be different.
There is an iteresting article about how the forward assist came to be.
I believe the navy was first to be issued the new platform and had no provisions to force a round into batterie.
Then the army came in and said.
We need a button to push that will render the weapon useless.
Thats the short version of it.
Cope
Fusing with fire
And yes you can, just like in the video.
Open and lock bolt.
Drop round into chamber.
Release bolt.
What Jerry is saying that when the bolt goes home with no resistance from pulling the round out of a mag it (can) move with enough force that the firing pin moves forward due to its mas, striking the primer and causing a negligent discharge.
While I often drop single rounds into the chamber and let the bolt slam home. I do it with the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Some times i get rounds that have a primer strike and faile to fire. So i remove the mag, drop the single round in and fire it.
Open and lock bolt.
Drop round into chamber.
Release bolt.
What Jerry is saying that when the bolt goes home with no resistance from pulling the round out of a mag it (can) move with enough force that the firing pin moves forward due to its mas, striking the primer and causing a negligent discharge.
While I often drop single rounds into the chamber and let the bolt slam home. I do it with the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Some times i get rounds that have a primer strike and faile to fire. So i remove the mag, drop the single round in and fire it.
67Dart273
Well-Known Member
LOL posted this earlier in the wrong spark plug thread
All this came about due to a note about my Kahr .40
From the manual:
"Insert the magazine into the magazine well at the base of the grip until the magazine catch engages fully.Pull the slide fully to the rear and lock it back us-ing the Slide Stop. Next push down on the Slide Stop to chamber the first round into the barrel. Do not chamber a round by pulling back on the slide and letting go of the slide. This may cause the slide to not go fully into battery.
Note: Do not load an individual round into the chamber and then close the slide. This can dam-age the extractor. Only chamber rounds from the magazine as described above."
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I used to do that very thing. But I have not had trouble simply cycling the slide on a full mag, but I like to have it "fully loaded" as they say, so I load the first one from a full mag, then remove the mag, and insert one more round. Of course when swapping mags it's not a problem, as obviously, the slide locks open, you stick in a loaded mag, and release the slide lock.
I've had other semi auto pistols, and never knew this to be a problem. I have always "tossed one down the tube" and then stuffed in a full mag.
All this came about due to a note about my Kahr .40
From the manual:
"Insert the magazine into the magazine well at the base of the grip until the magazine catch engages fully.Pull the slide fully to the rear and lock it back us-ing the Slide Stop. Next push down on the Slide Stop to chamber the first round into the barrel. Do not chamber a round by pulling back on the slide and letting go of the slide. This may cause the slide to not go fully into battery.
Note: Do not load an individual round into the chamber and then close the slide. This can dam-age the extractor. Only chamber rounds from the magazine as described above."
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I used to do that very thing. But I have not had trouble simply cycling the slide on a full mag, but I like to have it "fully loaded" as they say, so I load the first one from a full mag, then remove the mag, and insert one more round. Of course when swapping mags it's not a problem, as obviously, the slide locks open, you stick in a loaded mag, and release the slide lock.
I've had other semi auto pistols, and never knew this to be a problem. I have always "tossed one down the tube" and then stuffed in a full mag.
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