As I've said in the past Kim, ANY used converter, make great door stops. As you know, it's not hard to make a converter look good externally. The rattle can paint job, polish the hub, and voila a rebuilt or hardly used piece. Cut them open and find what they really looked like. My ex-employer always put a serial number on their high stalls, and on any rebuilds they did for other brands. The serial number of repaired other brands always started with the letter R.