Freezing temperatures - water in engine

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I have a 68 dart 340 small block. Winter has snuck up on me, tonight we're supposed to get 20' temperatures. We got the motor running with just water in an after market radiator. I have a thermostat in. I think I'm gonna have to pull the water pump so I really don't want to put antifreeze in. I've drained the water from the radiator, turned the motor over.

Do I have to worry about freezing in the block, with just draining the water?
Should I put some antifreeze in? I am guessing blocks crack because the system is under pressure. Thanks in advance.
 
When water freezes into ice, it expands. It expands enough to crack the block.

Pull the drain plugs on either side of the block & drain it all.

Drain the radiator too.

Then add some anti-freeze to help dilute any pure water left down low.

Adding anti-freeze is very cheap compared to finding a new block and starting over.
 
If you cant get the block drains out, put antifreeze in it. Saving 10 bucks isnt worth risking a cracked block.
 
If it was mine, I would add some antifreeze.
 
I am guessing blocks crack because the system is under pressure.

Every summer I see inboard engine boats for sale because the block cracked over the winter. The owners did not drain and or put some antifreeze in the block. Those boats cooling systems are not under pressure. What’s a 340 block worth?
 
definately add anti freeze. apart from the motor the last thing you need is to have to pull the heater box and replace a split heater core. they won't drain fully if you just drain the radiator and engine block.
neil.
 
Funny you ask this question. I drained the radiator on a friend's 69 dart 360 (at my house) when I knew the temps were going to drop low. Next morning....(and I got this feeling of horror around 2am @ the residual water in the block)......I rushed out to find a freeze plug laying under the car.

Sure, I was thankful that the block hadn't cracked, but of course it had to be the freeze plug right behind the steering box.
 
I've junked out two engines that were froze / broke. One was a Commando 273, one was a 335 HP 383 I have no sympathy for the too lazy or too cheap to protect an engine. In the 40's antifreeze cost many times what it does today, adjusted for inflation. Somewhere I found an old life magazine full page ad for Zerex. I wish I still had it
 
My 65 Commando 4sp. Barracuda came from Miami, FL just like me. We didn't worry that much about antifreeze, in fact I never did. I bought the car from a Plymouth dealer when it was less than six months old and less than a 1000 miles on it. PO bought it for his college bound son, who didn't like the four speed and the noise of the resonator, (HUH?) probably traded it for a 6 cylinder automatic station wagon, anyway I didn't ask. It travel with me up to Dover Delaware (USAF) in late November where it got down in the low teens a lot that winter and I had no cooling problems, until December of 1968. I was now stationed in Abilene, TX. While there, I was sent (short term) to Tachikawa, Japan where I was asked by a friend, "if I had charged the antifreeze in my car before we left for Japan?" No! I hadn't really done so since I bought it, just checked the water level now and then. My car was sitting in the parking lot, in front my barracks where the temperature went down below "0" several times. What antifreeze that was in it (if any) had failed. The engine block cracked from lifter hole to lifter hole and from freeze plug to freeze plug. Man I was really pissed, so pissed that I wrote a letter to Plymouth about it. "Your damn freeze plugs didn't work." Low and behold, I get a letter back from one of their engineers, who politely informed me that "contrary to most beliefs, those are not freeze plugs, but plugs used to close casting holes for the water jacket and were not intended to protect the block from freeze cracking." He went on to further state that the 273 had a very thin casting which contributed to the freeze cracking and the use of the 'true' freeze plug pre dated the newer (1965) engines by 20 some years. Oh yeah! He did say "sorry for your loss." The car sat in storage for two years, while I was overseas. What was the outcome? in 1970 a 273 block (new) cost me $200.00 and a $20.00 shipping charge by Greyhound. Most of all...I learned my lesson about the importance of antifreeze.
 
Most small blocks that I have seen that froze and busted, were cracked in the lifter galley about halfway up to the deck.

Ding ding ding, I have a 69 340 Swinger that occasionally I would street race it in the late 70's, well one night it put a pushrod thru the rocker arm, I limped it home & let it sit in the garage & forgot about it. It had only water in it (OHIO) Like mentioned above they crack in the lifter galley. I still kick myself to this day for not having A/F in it!
 
Ding ding ding, I have a 69 340 Swinger that occasionally I would street race it in the late 70's, well one night it put a pushrod thru the rocker arm, I limped it home & let it sit in the garage & forgot about it. It had only water in it (OHIO) Like mentioned above they crack in the lifter galley. I still kick myself to this day for not having A/F in it!

I`ve posted this before , but, back in the day , I drained the water out of my hemi superstock type belvedere , and forgot about draining the block, next spring I filled it up and started it for a check over, set the valves and such, the block had split on the right side between the so called freeze plugs . Yanked her out and spent my vacation metal locking the cracks (2 of them) .
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looked like it was welded when I finished , that block is still running and not leaking to this day , altho I dont own it anymore . wish i did !
 
My boat engine, (as do many), has plastic thumb screw plugs on the block sides and both exhaust manifolds. Very easy to drain the water with these if you don't procrastinate or forget about it. In the spring on the boat forums ya' always see the "Water In Oil" threads.
 
Every summer I see inboard engine boats for sale because the block cracked over the winter. The owners did not drain and or put some antifreeze in the block. Those boats cooling systems are not under pressure. What’s a 340 block worth?

Lotta boaters with raw water cooling, think sea/salt water doesn't freeze !

IT DOES ! !
 
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Lotta boaters with raw water cooling, think sea/salt water doesn't freeze !

IT DOES ! !
yep, a friend of mine who's a fisherman ran sea water in his van because as he said ''the sea doesn't freeze''. he cracked the block the first time we had a cold snap. the sea constantly moves which helps it not to freeze. at our old yard dad used to leave the outside tap trickling over night to stop it freezing and it always worked.
neil.
 
yep, a friend of mine who's a fisherman ran sea water in his van because as he said ''the sea doesn't freeze''. he cracked the block the first time we had a cold snap.

BWAHAHAHA.....hey you think he may have experienced slightly higher-than-normal corrosion in his cooling system by running salt water? I love it!
 
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