Cam degreeing help me understand!

Yes that is the overlap if I done it correctly it still is retarded even with the other timing chain. So when I start with the compression tdc #1 the dots will be at 12 and 6 so when I rotate it 180 degrees the cam dot is now at 3 o'clock position is that correct? Thats how I did it and its still retarded.

Think YR ment to say 360° instead of 180°, that puts the lifters in the right position to see if they are "Straight Up", Advanced, or Retarded.

Same way you checked it when you found the camshaft timing sprocket miss marked problem.