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As some of you may know I have a 70 b body 8.75

It's being narrowed to a body lengths.

I have a pair of abody 8.75 axel.shafts on the shelf from a 71/2 deamon

Will these a body axels fit inside the b body axel once narrowed to correct a body size?

Or should I get the b body axels shafts that are with it cut and resplined?
 
Yes A Body 8 3/4 axles will fit inside the narrowed B Body 8 3/4 housing as long as the narrowed housing is narrowed to spec width wise.

Like those 8 3/4s, Beef, Pumkin comes out the front.

Might look onto if you are going to use the A Body Drums and Brakes with your A Body axles, this will work and ends up small bolt pattern.

Or the B Body Drums and Brakes and going to the 4 1/2" Bolt Pattern axles. This you will want to look into for fitment. I am sure others on here can give you guidance on this. Dr Diff too . . .
 
The B body axles need to be 28" long after shortening. They are tapered near the splines. If you do not have at least 28" from the outside of the flange to the beginning of the taper, then they won't work in your application.
There were several different width b body axles over the years. I had C body 8-3/4 axles shortened and resplined by Moser. Both measured 28" and fit my A body housing.
 
Remember you have to match the backing plates to the axel used. If using OEM B,C, or E body axles to cut down then you need B,C,E backing plates. If you are using OEM A body axles than you need A body backing plates. Custom axles can be made either way but you must specify, don't assume.
 
On the hunt for some abody backing plates as we speak. So that's sorted. I also really want to keep my SBP dog dish cop Wheels.


Do 7.25 10" brakes fit 10" 8.75? Just the backing plate that differ? MUST be a bod backing plate with a bod axels shafts regardless of what the axel housing once was

Anyway thanks guys jJustwanted to make sure that 8.75
a bod axles fit into a narrowed 8.75 b bod housing before I contiune

Shame as about the brakes really as i have some.8.25 backing plates on the shelf
 
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As some of you may know I have a 70 b body 8.75

It's being narrowed to a body lengths.

I have a pair of abody 8.75 axel.shafts on the shelf from a 71/2 deamon

Will these a body axels fit inside the b body axel once narrowed to correct a body size?

Or should I get the b body axels shafts that are with it cut and resplined?

Send Cass, who is also known as Doctor Diff an email with your parts spec's. He is one of the kindest and most knowledgeable guys regarding rear ends and brakes. He's amazing actually.

You can find his website by searching "Dr. Diff".
 
Send Cass, who is also known as Doctor Diff an email with your parts spec's. He is one of the kindest and most knowledgeable guys regarding rear ends and brakes. He's amazing actually.

You can find his website by searching "Dr. Diff".

Haha already one step ahead buddy!

Cass is getting bugged by me on a regular basis lately

But thought I'd pop the question on here too
 
Is this rear axle going into the Demon in your profile?
If so, there is no reason to narrow the axle to A-Body SBP specs.
Other than using the wheels that you have, you can get some BBP cop wheels to replace your SBP cop wheels and have the good brakes, big bolt pattern, and a source to a lot more inexpensive parts when you do this swap.
The SBP 7/16" studs are weak as opposed to the BBP 1/2" studs, so that is an upgrade as well.
All you need to install a BBP '68 to '70 B- Body 8 3/4 complete in a '70 to '76 A-Body Duster, Demon, or Dart Sport is to relocate the spring perches 1" total to fit. (That's 1/2" inboard on each side).
I have done this mod several times and you can fit a 255 60x15" tire in the wheel wells with a factory 6 1/2" wheel with ease.
This is what I would do if I were you.
And another suggestion is to change the front brakes to BBP '73 and up A-Body discs and you will be home free.

It seems like a lot of screwing around for now, but the benefits of the simplicity and the cheaper as well as readily available parts (as well as stronger and better) will pay dividends in the long run.
I also have non power brakes and used Dr.Diff's aluminum 15/16" master cylinder upgrade to have a lot better brakes.
I highly recommend this upgrade if applicable as well.

Maybe check out my build thread at the bottom of my post for more detailed pics and commentary for the whole swap if you are interested.

Thanks,
Tom.
 
its a 70 dart its going in, the axle shafts just came from a demon. and where VERY good value.

changing the front brakes and wheels is something im planning on avoiding for now. as i dont want to loose my KH set up.

BBP may be something i plan on doing later on, but right now its the SBP im after.:thumbsup:
 
its a 70 dart its going in, the axle shafts just came from a demon. and where VERY good value.

changing the front brakes and wheels is something im planning on avoiding for now. as i dont want to loose my KH set up.

BBP may be something i plan on doing later on, but right now its the SBP im after.:thumbsup:
Fair enough.
I can see where you are coming from now.
The stock A-Body width diff makes perfect sense on a '70 Dart.
As you go along, you might seriously consider mini tubbing the car and moving the springs inboard for extra clearance so you can fit bigger tires in there, with of course the right offset wheel.
You can have your existing wheels modified for fairly cheap if you know of a good machine shop/welder/fitter.
Just another suggestion FWIW..........
How about some pics of the car?
 
A-body axles are shorter from
the outside of the flange (where the drums mount)
to where the bearing seats on the axle.
Consequently; when the drum goes on, the shoes have to be in the right place. And the backing plate determines this. So you gotta treat the small-bolt pattern A-body stuff as a set.

If your axles are too short from the bearing seat to the splined ends, then they will not engage the side gears correctly and the factory center thrust spacer will not be able to take up the space, and it may be impossible to set the endplay.
If your axles are too long, they will go too deep into the differential case and possibly hit the crosspin. But now the thrust-spacer will be too long, and again, it may be impossible to set the endplay.
There is a generous amount of space inside the ends of the axle tubes to receive the bearings. But there is not a lot of adjustment on the end-play adjuster. And if you jack it around too far, the drums will rub on the backing plates or the shoes will rub on the inside of the drums.
The point is sometimes 28inches is not 28 inches.

Another point worth mentioning is the tires and wheels that you want to run play a big part in how narrow you build your rearend.
If you have a Demon/Duster, I think they have the same inner tubs that my 68 Barracuda has. If that's true, and I don't know that it is, then 295/50s fit right in there. I installed mine onto 15 x10 alloy wheels that had a 4.5 backspace, cuz I liked the deep-dish look of those. To make it work, I yanked the rear end right outta there, and measured between the backs of the rims standing centered in the tubs. That is the measurement I was looking for when the stuff came back.
I ordered wrong, and so;
I had to fabricate spacers to go between the bearing retaining plates and the backing plates, and I had to move the inner seals out a smidge. That got me into the ballpark, but now the axles were too short. Soooo, I welded a thin washer on the end of one, and badabing! I was in.
All this to install C-body axles with 4.5 bolt-circle drums, into an A-body banjo, using the A-body backing plates. cuz that is what I had.

The point is this: I see you are in the UK, and I have no idea what support there is for Mopars, so; I suggest you do this in two stages. I mean, that's what I would do.
Stage 1; grab the banjo you have, and mock it up with the axles, drums, and backing plates that you intend to run, and with NO center section installed; to determine the drum to drum distance. Then fabricate any old spacer to set the endplay to ZERO, with the shoes more or less centered in the drums from side to side, so that no rubbing occurs. Then, measure the amount of drum to drum distance that needs to be removed; as determined by the chosen wheels and tires, and then get the banjo narrowed to achieve that. Bear in mind that the perches may need to be moved. You cannot fit 295s in there without moving the springs inboard at least flush with the inner tub wall. AND, you have to leave room for the U-bolts to be oriented correctly. You can only narrow that banjo until you run outta U-bolt space; from center to center and from side to side.
Stage two; when you get your narrowed housing back, mock it up again, with an appropriate spacer. Then measure the spacer,compare it to the factory one,calculate the difference, then cut the axles equally to achieve that; and it is almost guaranteed to fit.

To finish it up, all I had to do was move the springs inboard,reset the pinion angle, and weld new perches back on..

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oh sorry, I see you said 70Dart. You cannot install 295s in a Dart lol, so nothing changes, other than that. To install decent rubber, the springs still need to be moved.
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I have 4.5 years experience with a 70 Swinger340/4spd/3.55s, from 1970 to 1975. I can tell you that My Dart was the most evil, unforgiving pos car, when running on the factory Polyglass E-70/14s. It was like driving on sand, always slipping and sliding. Even lane changes could be exciting. And if the back-end stepped out just a bit too far, she was guaranteed to spin out. I was so excited to get rid of those tires. ( I was only 17 in 1970, still in hi-school, and as you might imagine, buying tires was a major big expense for me. And that car burned thru 6 pairs of summer tires and 1 pair of winter tires including those stinking Polyglass tires, in the 4years I drove it.
I sure wish I wouldda had 295s back in the day. But the biggest I could fit in the Dart was G60/14s. Those are measured differently. IIRC a G was 8.25 tread width. In today's measuring system that might be about 250mm section width. And still waaaaaay not enough rubber.
The point is this; If you drive like me, you gotta put the biggest, stickiest, daymn tire in there that you can make fit. And If I was to hotrod a Dart I would do one of two things
1) NOT install anything bigger than a 318 4bbl, with maybe 3.23 gears, or
2) tub it, right off.
That car has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much mass behind the rear axle; it loves to pendulum, and to do 180*s. Get rid of the spare, and drive with the trunk empty.
Happy HotRodding.
 
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