Magnum 408 w/Stock Lifters & Rockers

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Six Barrel Bill

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Hey everyone!
We are now building a Magnum stroker 408 for my daughters '71 Demon. She, like many others, is a kid with a small pocket book so we are doing the best we can for her. This will be a street/show car. I really doubt there will be much time at a track for this. Not sure why she has to have a street beast cause it makes me nervous! :)

Work has begun at our machine shop (great guy who is helping us out).
We have the Scat 408 stroker kit, valve relief .030 pistons, 11:1 compression.
She insists on running an after market EFI (this was the trade since I didn't want to do a hemi swap). Not sure which EFI kit yet but something. We (engine builder and I) spent some time on the phone with Comp Cam and they are grinding a custom cam for her: 224/536 Intake, 230/544 Exhaust with a 112 + 4 centerline. They said this should work well with any aftermarket EFI and maintain street ability.

The heads at this point are still going to be the PIE cast Magnum heads, stock lifters and rockers. I've been researching how much lift the stock rockers can safely accommodate, here's the info from the Magnum Swap site: "Important note 2: There is a persistent rumor that the Magnum engine will not tolerate camshafts with higher than .520 lift due to retainer/lock to valve guide clearance issues. This is not true. While max lift is related to cam duration and other factors, we are using a .550+ lift cam in our shop car, did not need to flycut the pistons, and have more than the minimum clearance."

We originally planned on running 1.6 adjustable Chevy rockers but the more I dug into it, it looks like a bunch of work. Not just putting some studs in the head but actually drilling the head and relocating the studs. Otherwise the geometry is out of wack. Unless there is some new products out there, not sure? So for cost savings, we are not planning on going down that road. Unless of course she had more money and could just get the Trick Flow heads that are setup for that, but that is not an option at this point.

Now, we plan on checking for clearance once this is all together.

But I was curious as to what others have run for cams, similar to what we are running, with the stock Magnum lifters & rockers? How did it work out? Issues?

Thanks
Bill
 
Well, if you're doing springs/retainers/locks/rockers anyways, it might be worth waiting a couple days to see if Speedmaster does their Black Friday sale again- score the whole head package for the cost of all the individual components for the stock heads. Maybe even the intake...
 
i run a LA 408
off the shelf cam, i believe it was a comp 268

im using stock heads (though slightly massaged) with stock valve train

in fact, my engine builder told me the piston to valve clearance is so tight that the stock rockers will work BUT 1.6 ratios, would not

could i stand more power?

sure

do i need it?

nope

whats my point?

your daughter is going to have a 408 in a street car
i cant imagine that with a good combo she wouldnt be happy, even with the 1.5s
 
I've never heard of relocating the rocker studs. I don't know where that comes from. I would simply use the kit from Crane and the Chevy (or Ford) 1.6 rockers and be done with it. Plenty of people have. Of course, there are those badass Hughes shaft mount rockers that bolt onto the Magnum heads, but you said "small pocketbook" and they are about 700 bucks.
 
This is my first Magnum build and I'm really trying to figure out a couple things.
1) Has any one had issues running a similar cam with the stock lifters/rockers? I only ask because of different opinions out there.
2) Since we are running hydraulic lifters, is there any real need to run adjustable rockers?
 
PIE magnum heads?

Any pics of them?

Here's a link to the company, based out of Las Vegas I believe. These were recommend by another builder who swears by them. They are EQ heads that have been worked over. I called them to get some info, they claim to have good flow numbers. Haven't pulled the trigger yet, still researching but they seem like a good bang for the buck.

Mopar EQ Cylinder Heads
 
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Here's a link to the company, based out of Las Vegas I believe. These were recommend by another builder who swears by them. They are EQ heads that have been worked over. I called them to get some info, they claim to have good flow numbers. Haven't pulled the trigger yet, still researching but they seem like a good bang for the buck.

Mopar EQ Cylinder Heads

Only problem those EQ heads are no longer available..........
 
One of my sons daily drives his 85 pickup with with a 232/232 @.050, .560/560 lift cam with stock magnum rockers and Melling replacement lifters. We got it going early this year, and runs great.

Every magnum rocker I have checked is more like 1.64 to 1.65 ratio. My sons 560 lift was 574 at the retainer using a magnum lifter that I made solid for checking, with the actual valve springs on the head.
 
My oldest son has the same lift .560" in his valiant using the melling magnum lifters, but he is using LA heads on the magnum block with 273 iron rockers. It too is a daily driver.
 
When we did my magnum the machine shop used longer LS valves... we ended up shimming up the pedestal mounts and using longer push rods.
The local Dyno is supposed to be opening to the public in the next few weeks so I can let you know if it works...

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Just my eyeballing it, that rocker contact looks like it is on the back have of the valve stem?
Yes it made contact so we built some simple stands to go under the rocker mounts
 
I’ll get some on Dyno day... they are just a simple piece of flat stock with the ends milled down to .167 inch if I remember
 
Before... when we lifted them they cleared
I know you are more worried about the clearance to the rocker. I would be just as concerned with the alingment of the contact patch on the top of the valve stem, should be in the center on the of the stem.
 
I know you are more worried about the clearance to the rocker. I would be just as concerned with the alingment of the contact patch on the top of the valve stem, should be in the center on the of the stem.
Cycling it through the rocker contacts only in the middle of the valve
 
There's no way in the world I'd use stock rockers with that much lift. Just my personal opinion.
 
Here ya go, just need cm pushrods. I was going to use but got the Chrysler kit at blow out price. The plate needs to be sliced then tiged back about 1/16 narrower.
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