Okay cool, I'm trying to figure out why my builder wants to get a cam that's for 12.5:1 minimum for my 470 that is eeking out 11.8:1. He said he'll explain later today & I trust him. I think he was looking at a 263 intake 270 exhaust @.050 duration solid roller. I have trick flow 240s so maybe that is influential in his decision, but I don't yet know enough, I thought i knew something lol