Opinions On Head Gaskets

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@RustyRatRod , departed here at noon, the dinger doesn't come with!
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Dumb question.................why are all of the steel shim gaskets out of stock?
 
Well.....the power part I know is splittin hairs. Even puttin this together with just copper coat and NO gasket would still be under 8:1 I believe. LOL Even still, I want a .020 gasket if I can find one. I have the Mr Gasket ones on order.....but who knows when or if they'll come in.

What I don't get is, there are dead soft copper head gaskets that are thicker that people use. What's the difference other than thickness? I've seen people use them without o-rings too. I'm not arguing.....I'm probably not going to use them.....just doesn't feel right.......I;m just kinda thinkin out loud.
OK I get that you want a super thin head gasket to boost compression.
I ask, why not mill the heads and use a real gasket?
 
OK I get that you want a super thin head gasket to boost compression.
I ask, why not mill the heads and use a real gasket?

I did use a real gasket. And because milling the heads to get compression is the wrong way to do it. You either change pistons or get heads with smaller chambers, neither of which I can afford.

A cut on the heads to get from 7.7:1 to 9.5:1 would be well over .100". Then I have to cut the intake. Then I have a top end that has to all stay together, or it's useless. That's just not the right way to do things. Plus, a cut that big will have to be done in stages, so that means it's expensive. I've done it before. The results were good, but it's the incorrect way to go about it. Besides, this engine is a very good match of parts. I am positive it will make 1 LB FT per cubic inch, because everything is matched up so well and in an early A body, that will be an exciting ride, compression be damned. People get too caught up with compression. It is one way to make power, but not the only way. People have been making low compression engines haul *** for decades. It's nothing new. I think it's a fun challenge. And the thing about it, I don't have to ride around looking for the highest octane because it'll run on anything. It's almost as if people are scared of low compression. Maybe they don't want to do the work involved to make one powerful. It can be done and it's not "that hard". Sure higher compression will do it easier, but at what cost? And "where" do you stop? It's like "with this piston I can get 9.75.....but this one I can get 11:1......it's a slippery slope. And yeah, all the work can be done to make it run on pump gas with high compression......but you ain't gonna be runnin on 87. I will. I'm buildin this car to be a cruiser and to have fun with. So far, I've had a ball. If I start screwin around trying to run on the ragged edge, that's gonna change and I'm not gonna let that happen. Besides, it's my car and no one else's. I'm doin it my way.
 
Now, I don’t know much about anything, but my concern would be that the copper gasket shims do not appear to have the embossing that is present on the steel gaskets.

makes me wonder if all the embossing getting crushed is what is supposed to provide the sealing integrity.
 
Now, I don’t know much about anything, but my concern would be that the copper gasket shims do not appear to have the embossing that is present on the steel gaskets.

makes me wonder if all the embossing getting crushed is what is supposed to provide the sealing integrity.

I did not use them. They are "just" spacers and not head gaskets. I used the Mr Gasket steel embossed head gaskets, which IS a real head gasket. Jesus man, didn't you read the whole thread. You're supposed to know everything already. You sure you ain't a false prophet?
 
I did use a real gasket. And because milling the heads to get compression is the wrong way to do it. You either change pistons or get heads with smaller chambers, neither of which I can afford.

A cut on the heads to get from 7.7:1 to 9.5:1 would be well over .100". Then I have to cut the intake. Then I have a top end that has to all stay together, or it's useless. That's just not the right way to do things. Plus, a cut that big will have to be done in stages, so that means it's expensive. I've done it before. The results were good, but it's the incorrect way to go about it. Besides, this engine is a very good match of parts. I am positive it will make 1 LB FT per cubic inch, because everything is matched up so well and in an early A body, that will be an exciting ride, compression be damned. People get too caught up with compression. It is one way to make power, but not the only way. People have been making low compression engines haul *** for decades. It's nothing new. I think it's a fun challenge. And the thing about it, I don't have to ride around looking for the highest octane because it'll run on anything. It's almost as if people are scared of low compression. Maybe they don't want to do the work involved to make one powerful. It can be done and it's not "that hard". Sure higher compression will do it easier, but at what cost? And "where" do you stop? It's like "with this piston I can get 9.75.....but this one I can get 11:1......it's a slippery slope. And yeah, all the work can be done to make it run on pump gas with high compression......but you ain't gonna be runnin on 87. I will. I'm buildin this car to be a cruiser and to have fun with. So far, I've had a ball. If I start screwin around trying to run on the ragged edge, that's gonna change and I'm not gonna let that happen. Besides, it's my car and no one else's. I'm doin it my way.
I did not realize you were try to grap almost 2 points of compression - a bunch.
I agree shaving the heads is not the way to go.
Your either going to have to suck it up and buy a set of pistons or live with the low compression, which aint all that bad.
 
I did not use them. They are "just" spacers and not head gaskets. I used the Mr Gasket steel embossed head gaskets, which IS a real head gasket. Jesus man, didn't you read the whole thread. You're supposed to know everything already. You sure you ain't a false prophet?

Your butt, my child. Why doth it hurt so? Have you been wrenching with the Sodomites again?

You queried the forum as to why they might not work alone as a gasket, and I bestowed upon you my divine musings. Nothing more.
 
Your butt, my child. Why doth it hurt so? Have you been partying with the Sodomites again?

You queried the forum as to why they might not work alone as a gasket, and I bestowed upon you my divine musings.

Yes, aftereth I told everyone I was runningeth real head gaskets. You were already supposed to knoweth that. You did not. You are faketh. lol
 
They sell a .020 head gasket spacer for my Mazda MA motor, used to keep the oil jet to head distance spec when you mill a head. Its just a .020 sheet of punched metal. You can O-ring a block for copper gaskets for cheap as they will loan you the tool and a roll of stainless wire is 13 bucks. Nothing that thin though unless you want to (un)roll your own annealed coppers as they require sealant around the water ports anyway.
Titan Head Gaskets for Chrysler 383-440 Wedge
 
Every time I used the steel shim gasket I had the same thing !! Every horror story in the book came out from everyone that knew I was using steel shim head gaskets ! Never not once had an issue!! I also didnt have resurfaced heads or a decked block !! OMG people thought I was insane !! All I know is my race car was at the track every weekend !! Some of theirs were not !! You need to use them ! Get all the compression you can !

Not really relavant , but 426 hemi`s came from the factory w/ .020 steel shim gaskets , I owned 2 and never had a leak of any kind w/ either of them , one was street car ,the other was a race car------------
 
Your butt, my child. Why doth it hurt so? Have you been wrenching with the Sodomites again?

You queried the forum as to why they might not work alone as a gasket, and I bestowed upon you my divine musings. Nothing more.

LOL !
 
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