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Hello to everyone.
I have had investigating if a fender tag with a built sheet can be sold? And if so, what is the value of it?
Probably as already some of you guys know I have a 65 FS that I’m parting out.
A couple guys asked me about the fender tag price and another guy asked me about the title and vin plate.
Can those items be sold separately?
Thanks
 
Hello to everyone.
I have had investigating if a fender tag with a built sheet can be sold? And if so, what is the value of it?
Probably as already some of you guys know I have a 65 FS that I’m parting out.
A couple guys asked me about the fender tag price and another guy asked me about the title and vin plate.
Can those items be sold separately?
Thanks
Not legally
 
Fender tag, sure..its just the callouts of the options. The VIN is the fingerprint, is not sellable.
 
That would be between you and the buyer, to me if it doesn’t match the car -not much.
 
Do you know the value of a fender tag ?
Thanks

A fender tag in and of itself has no monetary value to anyone except the owner of the car. The value of the tag lies in the unique information to that car in context when aggregated with other makes, models as plant.

Some people that collect tags may pay for shipping.
 
fender tags are 10-20 bucks on the open market.
vin tags sell all the time. vin tags with fender tags and titles are much more difficult to find to buy, but easy to sell.
Vin tags are sold all the time on the dash cores. Since mopar put their vins on the dash's, the vins get sold quite often. Sell it if you want to. I seriously doubt the feds are going to come knock on your door for selling a vin off a 55 year old car. Doesn't happen, unless it's a hemi or a V code. Then, only, maybe.
 
fender tags are 10-20 bucks on the open market.

I wish people wouldn't pay that. In my mind, it monetizes an item that has no intrinsic or nominal value and places a perception of 'value' on an item like any other part of car. It makes sellers withhold info for money. If people complain how the introduction of money changes the hobby, this is one area where the greed factor can be removed.

It's also unnecessary. If people understand how the tag will be used and the data aggregated, they see a higher purpose in the hobby and will provide info for no cost or the cost of shipping. Every tag is a piece in a very large puzzle. Put them all together and the picture becomes clear. When you start introducing a perceived value to a /6, wagon, four door, C body, etc tag, it makes it much harder to fill in the gaps.
 
But then you have a situation like one of mine. I bought a 69 Cuda-340 from a pawnshop. Fender tag was gone-car was rusted but original the owner still has the fender tag and offered it to me for $2000. It really depends on what the buyer feels the tag is worth.
 
But then you have a situation like one of mine. I bought a 69 Cuda-340 from a pawnshop. Fender tag was gone-car was rusted but original the owner still has the fender tag and offered it to me for $2000. It really depends on what the buyer feels the tag is worth.

"A fender tag in and of itself has no monetary value to anyone except the owner of the car."

PO was a jerk. The tag goes with the car.
 
I wish people wouldn't pay that. In my mind, it monetizes an item that has no intrinsic or nominal value and places a perception of 'value' on an item like any other part of car. It makes sellers withhold info for money. If people complain how the introduction of money changes the hobby, this is one area where the greed factor can be removed.

It's also unnecessary. If people understand how the tag will be used and the data aggregated, they see a higher purpose in the hobby and will provide info for no cost or the cost of shipping. Every tag is a piece in a very large puzzle. Put them all together and the picture becomes clear. When you start introducing a perceived value to a /6, wagon, four door, C body, etc tag, it makes it much harder to fill in the gaps.

I've had very few people I know give me parts for free. Much less people I don't know around the country give me anything for free. 10-20 bucks makes it worth while for someone to put a fender tag into an envelope and send it out. Seems that's the only way I ever get a fender tag. I've only got a handful, but they were hard earned.

Side note, I'm an amateur paleontologist. I feel the same way about dinosaur fossils. Once a monetary value was truly established with the sale of the dinosaur "sue", I found it quite difficult to get onto ranchers land to search for dinosaurs. Everyone is fearful you will steal their rocks and make Millions on them. Highly unlikely and makes the Science of the situation difficult to achieve and slows down the gathering and apprehension of knowledge. Money definitely can slow down and side track the science.
 
Tampering with VIN tags is a felony, specifically installing one on a different car from what it came on. There was a guy converting Chrysler New Yorkers to 300 letter cars, along with coupe to convertible conversions, that landed him in federal prison a while back.
 
here are a few "legal" thoughts on your question about whether you can use a "fender tag" or what its value might be.

1. in the collector car market (as in life in general), there are two situations where you may encounter the police, or a District Attorney or the local Courthouse. the first is if you've committed a "crime" under either a State or a Federal law. creating or altering VIN numbers on any vehicle is a Federal felony so if you used a fender tag with a serial number on it to obtain a title to a vehicle (with that tag's serial number on the title) and placed that tag on a car that you did not have a title for - you will have committed a felony under both the Federal VIN statute and the vehicle code laws of all 50 U.S. states. this behavior would place you at risk of arrest, prosecution and sentencing for the entire period you owned the subject vehicle and for years after you might sell that vehicle.

2. even if you did not draw the attention of the "authorities" over the creating or altering of a VIN number on a vehicle, if you sold that vehicle to anyone and the buyer found out what you had done, the buyer would have a civil cause of action against you for the amount of money he paid for the car and for any "incidental damages" that he may have suffered - like him putting money into the car and then finding out about the bogus VIN number. that right to sue you would exist for the entire time the buyer owned your prior car. AND, it would be possible that ANYONE who subsequently purchased the car that YOU created or altered the VIN number on would be able to sue you.

3. using a fender tag without criminal or civil liability. if you wanted to create your own car with your desired options or if you found a fender tag with options that you had added to your car, it would be perfectly legal for you to add that tag to "your" car for purposes of a car show. however, if someone wanted to buy your car with the fender tag you added, you would need to disclose to the buyer that you had added the tag and also the options you added. if you did not disclose to any buyer these details, you could be subject to being sued at a later date for "misrepresenting" a vehicle or a "fraudulent conveyance."

4. the problem with fender tags on mopar collector cars is that they were essentially an "official document" created and attached by the original manufacturer to a specific vehicle listing unique information for "that" vehicle. they are "generally" NOT treated the same as the official VIN tag or plate or stamping, however, they "could" be so treated given the right District Attorney or angry buyer. as we all know, certain options add value to mopars and those options are coded on the factory fender tag. a 4 speed mopar is worth more money than an automatic. so if you convert a car to a 4 speed and then "create" a fender tag that has the manual transmission code on it, that tag makes the car worth more because the fender tag makes it seem like the car was an original 4 speed car - thus being more valuable. anytime a person "creates" or "manufactures" information about a vehicle that is not accurate or true - that is called "fraud."

the bottom line is with fender tags - you can do ANYTHING you want with a car YOU OWN. but if you attempt to sell that car, you must disclose everything you did to the car including the addition of a fender tag or any options and get that disclosure in writing from your buyer. and of course you MUST NOT use a fender tag to obtain a title. as to the "value" of a fender tag? for all the reasons i've noted, i cannot imagine any tag being worth much money. IF you are buying a tag that has a lot of "valuable options" so you can "create a car to match that tag" - YOU ARE ASKING FOR PROBLEMS unless you intend to keep that car yourself IN YOUR OWN NAME for the rest of your life. I forgot to address your question about you selling a VIN or fender tag you have. I WOULD STRONGLY advise you NOT TO DO THAT!! anyone with a collector car knows what a "VIN number plate" and/or fender tag are used for. you would NOT be able to say to the police - "i thought that VIN plate and fender tag was just another part off the car." these items are NOT "just another part" and would not be treated that way by a Prosecutor. theoretically, you could be charged with "aiding and abetting an attempted felony" by selling a VIN number or fender tag to someone. just DON'T DO IT!
 
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