What happened to the reasonably priced project car?

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Young people are discouraged by the cost of old cars, BUT they also can appreciate the fact they can actually work on them! One reason the 60's -70's chevy pickups and stuff like VW bugs are hot right now.
Like said, the prices that the high end muscle cars are bringing keep falling while the lower end cars are going up.
Turd projects for the most part are high because of idiots asking those prices. Just read some of their CL and FB ads.
 
I have been looking for a decent 70s-80s D/W series truck for a while now. to me, every one I come across is terribly overpriced. to get rust free decent driver, I gotta go several states away and everyone wants $5-6,000 and more, to start. I'd like to have that much in one, at most. "all in"-- straight bodywork, no rust, and mechanicals "done".
and $2k seems to be the asking price for a hopelessly rotted out, beat up POS, that may or may not run.

I did pick up an 85 D150, about 15 miles from work/ an hour from home, for a good bit less, but it's (only) a slant 6 truck..... the wiring was the worst job of butchery I have ever seen on 1 vehicle (very surprised this one hadn't burnt up before I had found it) I do have wiring straightened up, engine was also partly torn apart,
(manifolds were off because of a cracked exhaust... I did get it back together and running) and gonna need lotsa bodywork, (dented from the PO scraping his way past the garage door jambs) the front cat was disintigrated, the guts from it had the rear cat plugged solid. the old owner had the keys taken away because he can't see well enough to drive any more. but the frame is extremely clean and straight (surprising for a NW Indiana truck) but it supposedly sat in a barn for 10+ years, before this guy got it--- it shows. the cab, rockers, front fenders, doors, and floorpans are solid as a brand new one would be.

I did find a 85 D250 about 15 months ago, that was everything I want in a truck/ for what I considered a great deal/ something like $1700, rust free and straight....except I couldn't get to Texas from Illinois at the time, and about the time I figured out how to get it home, it was gone. I see hardly any of these trucks on CL anymore, anywhere in the US other than the newer (of that series) Cummins versions, that are in the high teens for a starting point.... I ain't paying that, for any truck. there was an 89-90 in St Louis recently with an asking price of $43k..... I'd like some of what that idiot was smoking.... not worth it, even if it had never been titled, and had lived its life in a museum from day 1.
and sorry I ain't into Fakebook.

I have gotten most of the "bugs" out of the 85 that I bought, that would keep it from being a decent driver. but it still needs the body work done, and I do have a "new" /6 in machine shop jail right now, that I have been slowly been buying parts for over the last 6-8 months, I am gonna build up a /6 that has at least what a "stock-for 85" 318 would have had...I'm gonna make this "my" truck. I have a 440 sitting here and a couple of newer Magnum small blocks (none for sale, some is mine and some is my son's) but I'm going for the "different" factor. I've been down the "yank the 6 and drop in a V8" road before. Hopefully when I am all in, all done, I have no more in this truck, than the $5-6k that I listed above. and a nice truck at that, that's "where I want it to be" at that point. the biggest thing keeping it from being there now, is the bodywork. and depending on how much of that I do (my patience isn't what it used to be, which is 90% of a good bodywork job)
I could do most of what is needed here myself. If I don't do so, then I can see spending that much just at the body shop. I "could" just run it as is, with the current engine. It has just short of 100k original miles. but what fun would that be?
the biggest "problem" remaining mechanically at the moment, is a battery draw that kills it dead in about 10 days, if I don't start it or put a trickle charge on it in between, or unhook the battery..... if I start it once a week, it don't kill the battery. Its winter and they have plenty of salt on the ground so I have plenty of time to figure that one out. once the new engine is in, and salt season is gone, I plan to drive it at least a few days a week..... I think it may have something to do with the amp gauge. I had to go to the boneyard and get a complete underhood wiring harness from another truck, and then do a couple of repairs to that.... and I did delete the fusible links at that time, opting instead to run everything that used to be fusible linked, thru an underhood fuse box from a newer truck. I still have yet to undo some ofthe PO's handiwork for the blower motor.... have not gotten to that yet, except to rip out his add on toggle switch and extension cord, that he had run to it..... and also I need to add a better-than-AM-only radio to it. I have a couple of Pioneers here, that will take care of that.

I am debating on scouting the boneyards and accumulating what I'd need, to add AC to it-- factory non A/C truck, but it is a factory 727 truck... even with being a 1/2 ton with a /6.... the 727 is staying put, I'm happy it has that. other "options" are 2 tone paint, PS, PB, long bed, the Ram head on the hood, carpeting, and the "nice" cloth seat, as opposed to vinyl. I also want to find a factory rear sliding window for it. If it were a couple years older, I'd think it was a "MISER" package truck. I think that "package" was gone by 85/ but even by 85 standards, it doesn't have much on it. I got original dealer reciept with it, back in 85 this was what $10k would get you off the showroom floor.

but (I'm not, so don't ask) if I were to put it up for sale, I couldn't get what I have spent on it so far, back...... it's what I have, so it's what I am gonna work with.
why can everybody else ask crazy prices (of which some must be getting, if so many are asking that much) but when I go to sell, even if I start out less than them/ and even if what I have might be nicer than average, I cannot get anywhere close to what others are asking,
and if I don't take what pittance is offered, I find myself sitting on whatever it might be, for years?

About 1-1/2 years ago, my son bought an 80 D150 stepside from Ebay out of Mississippi, /6-833OD, former forest service truck, cuz the logo they removed can still faintly be seen on the doors..... had it trucked up here, but as far as I am concerned he way overpaid, for what it is--- and that's before shipping was considered. It ran but it didn't run that well when he got it, and alot of previous owner "interference" and "rigging," that I had to help him clean up/straighten up. More time involved than money but still that IS worth "something, right? and if ol Dad ("me") didn't have stuff "laying around," it would have cost him more than it did, to get a decent driver out of... and he isn't done, there is more that he should do to it to make it what it should be. I am not a fan of "clear coating over faded paint and bleeding thru primer" to "preserve the patina" but that is what the PO did. and the wood bed? They just stuck a piece of T111 barn siding (plywood) in the bed instead of doing the bed wood anywhere close to right. but today That is worth $5 grand? Not to me.......
Back in about 89-90 I paid $1200 for a truck that was almost identical to this one, that I ran the snot out of for 7+ years (only difference? mine was '79, mine wasn't a stepside)
 
I had seen the 85 that I bought, climbed all over it to check it over, and had talked to the PO, but held off on making a deal for it for a week or 2/ as I had tried to buy an 87 D150 a few blocks from me, that had sat in 1 spot for 3+ years. Maybe longer.
Over about 2 years, I had left notes in the mailbox, had my buddy that lived next door to this 87 tell the owner that I was wanting to buy it, and watched it sit. One day out of the blue, it was gone. I know it isn't running around here, and it also isn't in either of the local junkyards. so the day after I saw that the 87 was gone, I went back and got this 85.
I'd rather have had the 87, the body was nicer, mileage showed very close to the same as my 85 has, it was a 318 vs the one I wound up with being a slant 6, and the 87 was a higher level trim package and had factory air already, as well as a Reese hitch....
but on another note, for what it would cost for a V8 radiator, V8 trans, V8 pan, and oil pickup, V8 exhaust and such to convert this truck, is more $$ that I can put into the 6 to experiment and "see what I can do with it".... if I keep the /6 pan, trans, mounts, radiator and such, intact.... I have those already, so I don't have to buy them!
 
here ya go.. 10k for a charger.. cream puff..:)
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Seller's description
1969 Dodge Charger Factory 383 A.C. car. For sale located in Middle Tennessee. Clean Tn. Title in my name. No engine. It has an 8 3/4 rear end under it. Bought years ago to restore, but unable to due to life. Selling so someone else can do what im unable to and bring it back to life. I have a Hood, 727 transmission that would need rebuilt its just a core, doors and complete front suspension for it as well. Way more pics than Facebook will let me post. Pm me if intrested and ill send over 50 pics of the car and parts.$10,000 o.b.o.

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73 duster..:)
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1973 Plymouth Duster · Coupe · Driven 100,000 miles
73 Duster 340 Clone ! Reason selling, found another car I want! $15,000

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Barrett Jackson and Mecum happened. So now everybody thinks their rust bucket is worth 10K like that Charger right up there. ^^^^^^
 
I have been looking for a decent 70s-80s D/W series truck for a while now. to me, every one I come across is terribly overpriced. to get rust free decent driver, I gotta go several states away and everyone wants $5-6,000 and more, to start. I'd like to have that much in one, at most. "all in"-- straight bodywork, no rust, and mechanicals "done".
and $2k seems to be the asking price for a hopelessly rotted out, beat up POS, that may or may not run.

I did pick up an 85 D150, about 15 miles from work/ an hour from home, for a good bit less, but it's (only) a slant 6 truck..... the wiring was the worst job of butchery I have ever seen on 1 vehicle (very surprised this one hadn't burnt up before I had found it) I do have wiring straightened up, engine was also partly torn apart,
(manifolds were off because of a cracked exhaust... I did get it back together and running) and gonna need lotsa bodywork, (dented from the PO scraping his way past the garage door jambs) the front cat was disintigrated, the guts from it had the rear cat plugged solid. the old owner had the keys taken away because he can't see well enough to drive any more. but the frame is extremely clean and straight (surprising for a NW Indiana truck) but it supposedly sat in a barn for 10+ years, before this guy got it--- it shows. the cab, rockers, front fenders, doors, and floorpans are solid as a brand new one would be.

I did find a 85 D250 about 15 months ago, that was everything I want in a truck/ for what I considered a great deal/ something like $1700, rust free and straight....except I couldn't get to Texas from Illinois at the time, and about the time I figured out how to get it home, it was gone. I see hardly any of these trucks on CL anymore, anywhere in the US other than the newer (of that series) Cummins versions, that are in the high teens for a starting point.... I ain't paying that, for any truck. there was an 89-90 in St Louis recently with an asking price of $43k..... I'd like some of what that idiot was smoking.... not worth it, even if it had never been titled, and had lived its life in a museum from day 1.
and sorry I ain't into Fakebook.

I have gotten most of the "bugs" out of the 85 that I bought, that would keep it from being a decent driver. but it still needs the body work done, and I do have a "new" /6 in machine shop jail right now, that I have been slowly been buying parts for over the last 6-8 months, I am gonna build up a /6 that has at least what a "stock-for 85" 318 would have had...I'm gonna make this "my" truck. I have a 440 sitting here and a couple of newer Magnum small blocks (none for sale, some is mine and some is my son's) but I'm going for the "different" factor. I've been down the "yank the 6 and drop in a V8" road before. Hopefully when I am all in, all done, I have no more in this truck, than the $5-6k that I listed above. and a nice truck at that, that's "where I want it to be" at that point. the biggest thing keeping it from being there now, is the bodywork. and depending on how much of that I do (my patience isn't what it used to be, which is 90% of a good bodywork job)
I could do most of what is needed here myself. If I don't do so, then I can see spending that much just at the body shop. I "could" just run it as is, with the current engine. It has just short of 100k original miles. but what fun would that be?
the biggest "problem" remaining mechanically at the moment, is a battery draw that kills it dead in about 10 days, if I don't start it or put a trickle charge on it in between, or unhook the battery..... if I start it once a week, it don't kill the battery. Its winter and they have plenty of salt on the ground so I have plenty of time to figure that one out. once the new engine is in, and salt season is gone, I plan to drive it at least a few days a week..... I think it may have something to do with the amp gauge. I had to go to the boneyard and get a complete underhood wiring harness from another truck, and then do a couple of repairs to that.... and I did delete the fusible links at that time, opting instead to run everything that used to be fusible linked, thru an underhood fuse box from a newer truck. I still have yet to undo some ofthe PO's handiwork for the blower motor.... have not gotten to that yet, except to rip out his add on toggle switch and extension cord, that he had run to it..... and also I need to add a better-than-AM-only radio to it. I have a couple of Pioneers here, that will take care of that.

I am debating on scouting the boneyards and accumulating what I'd need, to add AC to it-- factory non A/C truck, but it is a factory 727 truck... even with being a 1/2 ton with a /6.... the 727 is staying put, I'm happy it has that. other "options" are 2 tone paint, PS, PB, long bed, the Ram head on the hood, carpeting, and the "nice" cloth seat, as opposed to vinyl. I also want to find a factory rear sliding window for it. If it were a couple years older, I'd think it was a "MISER" package truck. I think that "package" was gone by 85/ but even by 85 standards, it doesn't have much on it. I got original dealer reciept with it, back in 85 this was what $10k would get you off the showroom floor.

but (I'm not, so don't ask) if I were to put it up for sale, I couldn't get what I have spent on it so far, back...... it's what I have, so it's what I am gonna work with.
why can everybody else ask crazy prices (of which some must be getting, if so many are asking that much) but when I go to sell, even if I start out less than them/ and even if what I have might be nicer than average, I cannot get anywhere close to what others are asking,
and if I don't take what pittance is offered, I find myself sitting on whatever it might be, for years?

About 1-1/2 years ago, my son bought an 80 D150 stepside from Ebay out of Mississippi, /6-833OD, former forest service truck, cuz the logo they removed can still faintly be seen on the doors..... had it trucked up here, but as far as I am concerned he way overpaid, for what it is--- and that's before shipping was considered. It ran but it didn't run that well when he got it, and alot of previous owner "interference" and "rigging," that I had to help him clean up/straighten up. More time involved than money but still that IS worth "something, right? and if ol Dad ("me") didn't have stuff "laying around," it would have cost him more than it did, to get a decent driver out of... and he isn't done, there is more that he should do to it to make it what it should be. I am not a fan of "clear coating over faded paint and bleeding thru primer" to "preserve the patina" but that is what the PO did. and the wood bed? They just stuck a piece of T111 barn siding (plywood) in the bed instead of doing the bed wood anywhere close to right. but today That is worth $5 grand? Not to me.......
Back in about 89-90 I paid $1200 for a truck that was almost identical to this one, that I ran the snot out of for 7+ years (only difference? mine was '79, mine wasn't a stepside)

I bought this for $1k 2 years ago, 360 fuel injected. Bought a complete rust free cab, box, fenders and doors, hood and a bunch of other stuff last year for $800. I’ll have about $2k into it by the time I do the swapping.

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I agree to think that the prices on these cars will continue to rise is somewhat optimistic as stated kids want instant gratification along with all of the selling points of modern muscle with no commitment to hours of work and frustration and patience and achieving success through hard work as it applies to working on a classic car. Restoration and modification of old muscle in my opinion has to be a labor of love. I have had my same dart for going on 40 years now, I never ever thought about selling it except one time when I was going through some really hard times. As nice as modern muscle cars and are I know my son has an SRT Challenger that he is getting ready to turbocharge they're not rare or particularly special but they are really nice.
 
In 69 I ordered a Cuda-blue b5- automatic-fastback no 4 speed offered black deluxe interior put a$1000.00 outrageous deposit on it finally dealer told me they were changing to the 70 E body and building no more A bodies and would either refund or put the deposit on a 70 440 car. Went back and forth over the sale finally the salesman found one that had been ordered and never finalized the sale. The car I got is a brown coupe black-cheap interior 440 Cuda and $200 off of the original deal. I was barely able to pay the payments back then but now it is worth quite a bit more than the original price. You guys need to quit whining about”HOW EXPENSIVE” these cars have become. It’s all relative-if you would work at a pallet mill for 75 cents an hour then maybe you would see the difference. Enjoy the cars! Not everyone can have or build the nicest example in town! Jealousy will eat you up and take all the fun out of anything you choose to do. If you can afford a lowly example do it! I would much rather see someone at a car show enjoying their car than all the numbers assholes that have tried to peel the stickers off of my radiator support!
 
I have been looking for a decent 70s-80s D/W series truck for a while now. to me, every one I come across is terribly overpriced. to get rust free decent driver, I gotta go several states away and everyone wants $5-6,000 and more, to start. I'd like to have that much in one, at most. "all in"-- straight bodywork, no rust, and mechanicals "done".
and $2k seems to be the asking price for a hopelessly rotted out, beat up POS, that may or may not run.

I did pick up an 85 D150, about 15 miles from work/ an hour from home, for a good bit less, but it's (only) a slant 6 truck..... the wiring was the worst job of butchery I have ever seen on 1 vehicle (very surprised this one hadn't burnt up before I had found it) I do have wiring straightened up, engine was also partly torn apart,
(manifolds were off because of a cracked exhaust... I did get it back together and running) and gonna need lotsa bodywork, (dented from the PO scraping his way past the garage door jambs) the front cat was disintigrated, the guts from it had the rear cat plugged solid. the old owner had the keys taken away because he can't see well enough to drive any more. but the frame is extremely clean and straight (surprising for a NW Indiana truck) but it supposedly sat in a barn for 10+ years, before this guy got it--- it shows. the cab, rockers, front fenders, doors, and floorpans are solid as a brand new one would be.

I did find a 85 D250 about 15 months ago, that was everything I want in a truck/ for what I considered a great deal/ something like $1700, rust free and straight....except I couldn't get to Texas from Illinois at the time, and about the time I figured out how to get it home, it was gone. I see hardly any of these trucks on CL anymore, anywhere in the US other than the newer (of that series) Cummins versions, that are in the high teens for a starting point.... I ain't paying that, for any truck. there was an 89-90 in St Louis recently with an asking price of $43k..... I'd like some of what that idiot was smoking.... not worth it, even if it had never been titled, and had lived its life in a museum from day 1.
and sorry I ain't into Fakebook.

I have gotten most of the "bugs" out of the 85 that I bought, that would keep it from being a decent driver. but it still needs the body work done, and I do have a "new" /6 in machine shop jail right now, that I have been slowly been buying parts for over the last 6-8 months, I am gonna build up a /6 that has at least what a "stock-for 85" 318 would have had...I'm gonna make this "my" truck. I have a 440 sitting here and a couple of newer Magnum small blocks (none for sale, some is mine and some is my son's) but I'm going for the "different" factor. I've been down the "yank the 6 and drop in a V8" road before. Hopefully when I am all in, all done, I have no more in this truck, than the $5-6k that I listed above. and a nice truck at that, that's "where I want it to be" at that point. the biggest thing keeping it from being there now, is the bodywork. and depending on how much of that I do (my patience isn't what it used to be, which is 90% of a good bodywork job)
I could do most of what is needed here myself. If I don't do so, then I can see spending that much just at the body shop. I "could" just run it as is, with the current engine. It has just short of 100k original miles. but what fun would that be?
the biggest "problem" remaining mechanically at the moment, is a battery draw that kills it dead in about 10 days, if I don't start it or put a trickle charge on it in between, or unhook the battery..... if I start it once a week, it don't kill the battery. Its winter and they have plenty of salt on the ground so I have plenty of time to figure that one out. once the new engine is in, and salt season is gone, I plan to drive it at least a few days a week..... I think it may have something to do with the amp gauge. I had to go to the boneyard and get a complete underhood wiring harness from another truck, and then do a couple of repairs to that.... and I did delete the fusible links at that time, opting instead to run everything that used to be fusible linked, thru an underhood fuse box from a newer truck. I still have yet to undo some ofthe PO's handiwork for the blower motor.... have not gotten to that yet, except to rip out his add on toggle switch and extension cord, that he had run to it..... and also I need to add a better-than-AM-only radio to it. I have a couple of Pioneers here, that will take care of that.

I am debating on scouting the boneyards and accumulating what I'd need, to add AC to it-- factory non A/C truck, but it is a factory 727 truck... even with being a 1/2 ton with a /6.... the 727 is staying put, I'm happy it has that. other "options" are 2 tone paint, PS, PB, long bed, the Ram head on the hood, carpeting, and the "nice" cloth seat, as opposed to vinyl. I also want to find a factory rear sliding window for it. If it were a couple years older, I'd think it was a "MISER" package truck. I think that "package" was gone by 85/ but even by 85 standards, it doesn't have much on it. I got original dealer reciept with it, back in 85 this was what $10k would get you off the showroom floor.

but (I'm not, so don't ask) if I were to put it up for sale, I couldn't get what I have spent on it so far, back...... it's what I have, so it's what I am gonna work with.
why can everybody else ask crazy prices (of which some must be getting, if so many are asking that much) but when I go to sell, even if I start out less than them/ and even if what I have might be nicer than average, I cannot get anywhere close to what others are asking,
and if I don't take what pittance is offered, I find myself sitting on whatever it might be, for years?

About 1-1/2 years ago, my son bought an 80 D150 stepside from Ebay out of Mississippi, /6-833OD, former forest service truck, cuz the logo they removed can still faintly be seen on the doors..... had it trucked up here, but as far as I am concerned he way overpaid, for what it is--- and that's before shipping was considered. It ran but it didn't run that well when he got it, and alot of previous owner "interference" and "rigging," that I had to help him clean up/straighten up. More time involved than money but still that IS worth "something, right? and if ol Dad ("me") didn't have stuff "laying around," it would have cost him more than it did, to get a decent driver out of... and he isn't done, there is more that he should do to it to make it what it should be. I am not a fan of "clear coating over faded paint and bleeding thru primer" to "preserve the patina" but that is what the PO did. and the wood bed? They just stuck a piece of T111 barn siding (plywood) in the bed instead of doing the bed wood anywhere close to right. but today That is worth $5 grand? Not to me.......
Back in about 89-90 I paid $1200 for a truck that was almost identical to this one, that I ran the snot out of for 7+ years (only difference? mine was '79, mine wasn't a stepside)
I also really like the square body 80's trucks. I have had a couple years ago and, was looking for a decent one a couple years ago and, found the same thing that they are up there in price. I really needed one I could drive on day one as it would of been my daily driver. I looked at one in Wisconsin and, if the guy would of budged on the price or, if it wouldn't of have a vibration (u-joint, tires?) I would of bought it as it was in pretty decent shape. The vibration kind of pushed me out of it as my plan was to drive it home and, that was a 4 1/2 drive.

I eventually bought a really clean 99 and, I paid up for it. After I continually threw money at it I cut my losses and, I bought a really clean '11 Ram.

I will still love a good 80"s truck though.
 
I haven’t taken that car back to a Chrysler show since. It happened twice on the brown car, for some reason Chrysler guys feel they have a right to”verify”. Hopefully I will have my 61 Ventura-it’s not a survivor-finished in22
 
That is a good project at a fair price.
A guy here in Tx has one just like that except a ply, after 8 months he till can't get $4500. But people will want %3500 for rusted out non runner!


That's to show they are still out there.
 
That's to show they are still out there.

They are but it takes a lot of looking. Funny part is, so many will buy a rusted out roller for $2000 and turn their nose up at solid running driving bb car for $3500-4500. They will say, but it still needs paint,interior, tires, exhaust, new windshield, some chrome trim, seat belts. etc!!!! And hey, the motor is just stock and not rebuilt!!!! and the trans..... ha
 
They are but it takes a lot of looking. Funny part is, so many will buy a rusted out roller for $2000 and turn their nose up at solid running driving bb car for $3500-4500. They will say, but it still needs paint,interior, tires, exhaust, new windshield, some chrome trim, seat belts. etc!!!! And hey, the motor is just stock and not rebuilt!!!! and the trans..... ha
But if your looking for a Duster or Dart or any A body. A great deal on a early B body doesn’t help you.
 
But if your looking for a Duster or Dart or any A body. A great deal on a early B body doesn’t help you.

It does if you can turn that early B body into an A body along the way, by trading up. Or, down as the case may be. That’s the way I got my RR, I set about to trade my GTX for one, and after over 2 years, I finally made it work and got what I wanted.
 
I got a decent 70 dart swinger /6 auto, basically complete 99.70% rust free, just some holes started under the vinyl top. Bought it for $400.00 & had it shipped 65 miles to my area at that price Please don't shoot me for being a complete idiot, I already punched myself in the face, I passed on a basket case 68 340 gts shell, not completely I cut the roof off of it &the rear quarters & tail section, trunk & some other stuff, the front clip was long gone. I paid 400 for the car & the guy parted out the rest. Yeah, turns out 68 darts are 1 of my dream cars, maybe I shouldn't post this, sorry guys
 
deals are out there car in my avatar 73 Duster i paid 1K for it i did not replace a panel on it worst thing on it was driver side floor pan some one did a crappy job of fixing and trunk has hole cause it had a fuel cell in it at one time ex dragcar i was told I have a lot of fun with it.
 
Last year there was a 73 340 car in fresh correct rallye red that just needed final assembly and glass installed.

12K

Had one fresh dent in the quarter but not terrible. Think it was being sold out of frustration because of that dent.

Took a while to sell, but was a good deal.
 
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