I guess I’m lucky. My **** can be certified by anyone. 100% Mutt.
galen govier
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Yes I too proclaim my chit as true chit!! I charge myself 1 cool beer on a hot day. But I work cheap!
abodyjoe
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What I'd like to know is how many non-legit cars he was paid by big money collectors to verify as real. I'll never believe he wouldn't have taken money to do so.
Anyone seen him at all? Is this him?
Found this one from a 2012 Hemming's article saying he went to work for Masterpiece Classic Cars.
At this point, I don’t know what he could possibly add to any car that would validate it in some way. I guess I’m lucky, I have the ultimate validation source for my RR, the original owner. He can and does tell me anything I want to know about the car, things that could never be validated by anyone else. There is nothing on the car that he can’t tell me, and so many of the things I want to know about the car can only come from him. What could Galen or anybody else in the hobby add to that? I feel sorry for the myriad of people taken by Galen, especially when there are others out there that can go through these cars with a much better attitude. People that care about the cars, and not the money.
My 66 was decided by Galen by the previous owner. I have the paperwork which is kind of fun but it doesn't add much to the value. It's funny that all the information Galen compiled has been spread around the world through the internet. I'm sure he can't copywrite the info because he took it from Chrysler Corp. Lol
70chall440
Mopar or No Car...
I understand people want their car "validated" or "certified" to one degree or another. Within the investment crowd they love that crap because it equates to money/value. For the average Mopar guy/gal who owns a "normal" Mopar that has been touched by many hands over the years. changed around, etc. it has zero value. What people are paying guys like for are 2 things; first a full decoding of the car via the fender tag, broadcast sheet and perhaps what is physically there if it can be proven to have come that way (this is of course a slippery area). In most cases you are not going to learn a lot more than you already are aware of in reference to what is on the car or what it came with.
The second and actually more valuable part is the seemingly educated guess that a particular car is X of Y population; of course the smaller the numbers the better value wise. The problem comes in that Chrysler did not keep good records of many aspects of these cars so there is a lot of extrapolation going on in this action. Doesn't mean its accurate or factual but it is as close as you are going to get without a time machine.
People like GG can provide a valuable service in that they know about build trends, anomalies, dates of manufacturing, etc. They can tell you that your vehicle was built to CA specs or that it should not have had X or Y option but does. All these things are interesting and can in some cases equate to more value. The problem is that many people actually capable of doing this are few and far between and those that are out there generally reserve their services for big dollar cars.
I am not hating on the numbers gurus, only this POS because of his actions and lack of actions. He thought himself above the average Mopar owner and used his acquired knowledge to extort money from common people all the while looking down on many others. Again, this didn't have to be this way but he chose to do it. He could have not acted like an elitist and king, but chose to. For awhile he was "the man" but like all things this did not last and now he irrelevant. When he passes (like we all will), instead of being thought of fondly by the entire hobby, most will not notice, a few will celebrate and others will comment how the didn't even realize he was still around.
The second and actually more valuable part is the seemingly educated guess that a particular car is X of Y population; of course the smaller the numbers the better value wise. The problem comes in that Chrysler did not keep good records of many aspects of these cars so there is a lot of extrapolation going on in this action. Doesn't mean its accurate or factual but it is as close as you are going to get without a time machine.
People like GG can provide a valuable service in that they know about build trends, anomalies, dates of manufacturing, etc. They can tell you that your vehicle was built to CA specs or that it should not have had X or Y option but does. All these things are interesting and can in some cases equate to more value. The problem is that many people actually capable of doing this are few and far between and those that are out there generally reserve their services for big dollar cars.
I am not hating on the numbers gurus, only this POS because of his actions and lack of actions. He thought himself above the average Mopar owner and used his acquired knowledge to extort money from common people all the while looking down on many others. Again, this didn't have to be this way but he chose to do it. He could have not acted like an elitist and king, but chose to. For awhile he was "the man" but like all things this did not last and now he irrelevant. When he passes (like we all will), instead of being thought of fondly by the entire hobby, most will not notice, a few will celebrate and others will comment how the didn't even realize he was still around.
Ha! Mine too!
All of this talk about numbers, fender tags and such, I have a question. "Other" than the main subject at hand, is there another good, honest reasonable source where I might get a reproduction broadcast sheet for Vixen. I know she's "just" a slant six Valiant, but it would be cool to get that done. All of her body numbers match and from working on her it's pretty obvious she has the original drive train. Thanks.
I don’t know. I’ve never had a car that I would have worried about getting one.
I wouldn't say it's a worry........just that I would like to have one. It has everything else.
6PakBee
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OOOH, that stings. I like documentation on my cars because I am an anal purist (and not afraid to admit it). Some of us like minutia and Mopar was full of little quirks in the '60's and '70's. As to affecting the value....all of my keeper cars are going to be in my estate sale so right now I care more about restoring them accurately rather than worrying about their value.
Not sure build sheets are reproduced but sales sheets are. I had one made for the GTS. It’s based on the data on the fender tag. There are some that have questions about certain details of the car.
I put it up on the dash along with copies of the build sheet and a little history of the car. Makes for some good conversations
That’s what I’ve been thinking of doing too. However, the sales sheets (style and fonts) changed in 1973 or 1974. I’ve seen a 1976 sales sheet which is different from 1974 but haven’t come across a 1975 sheet yet.
70chall440
Mopar or No Car...
I dont think anyone is openly reproducing broadcast sheets, although not impossible it certainty would not be easy if you were trying to make one authentic. That said, people have been reproducing money for many years and get away with it (for awhile), so I do not think a broadcast sheet is out of the realm of possibility (in fact I know its not as there have been reports of some fake sheets with some high end cars).
IIRC, he bought the info from another person/group and figured out a way to monetize it.
Broadcast sheets, yes there have been reproductions and stacks of originals out there to create whatever you want. Even methods of how to "age" them...
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I would have loved to see some numbers on an 89Lx I owned for 16 years. Shoukd have never sold it. White 5spd with tan interior. Never seen another one with it.
I have always said something similar when discussing body men I've hired. "Those that tell you they can, usually can't, those who can, do."
And when it comes to that clown Will on GYC's.... his paint work is amateur at best. He has horrible techniques and the finish looks like ***. Anyone that has done any sort of paint work can see it. But people with that kind of money to pay someone to restore usually wouldn't know the difference.
Some pretty low production #s, depending on options, I had an 83 GLX coupe, V6 auto, with T-Tops, light blue with blue interior. Was one of 238 or something like that. If I can find the chart I used to determine that one, I'll post a link. I also had 2 1984.5 20th Anniversary convertibles, both were 5.0 5 speed cars, only made 537 of them IIRC.
abodyjoe
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gunbunny
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I have a fillable 1975 Broadcast sheet if you want that.
You'll have to enter your info.
PM me with your email, I'll send it to you as a word doc.
gunbunny
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Everything that Govier used for his white books was available to dealership parts rooms for many years on micro fiche.
That ended just a couple years before the Daimler era.
But he basically pulled the casting and part #'s that went up to P/N 38***** and the correlating casting #.
Chrysler already had both cross referenced, so he didn't even have to do that.
The guy took advantage of something that anyone could have done, and did it.
Wish I had thought of it first.
Others knew that the info was out there free of charge, they set up decoder sites and now that info is free.
That being said,
I have had only experienced one interaction with him and that was several years ago (2006-2007).
I watched as he got schooled by another very knowledgeable individual.
In that case, he was trying to glom up a VIN on a car. The cars owner took exception to it. Apparently those two had butted heads in the past.
I'm of the opinion that there is currently enough info out there that Govier has become irrelevant.
There is also enough info on Govier that if you give him money, then you should know what to expect.
And if Galen hadn't compiled all that information and put it in pocket books for us to buy, most of us would still be stumbling around forums and swap meets wondering what the f**k a part number fits. No complaints here. A $15 book has saved me hundreds.
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