not boring at all , but you should try it in a big boy car . nothing like hitting 165mph + on the track , 120 ain't that bad either
To nitrous or not?
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i'm liking the victor i put on my car . the torker is good not sure about the weiand for your setup others here would know better which intake would suit you best , no matter which intake it will be one fast car
TT5.9mag
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@jpar saying the op will be perfectly fine running 150-200 shot is ignorant. Even at that power level he must consider getting a few things right. Plenty of people have blown stuff up on “only” a 150 shot. While I agree he should be making more than 300ish with his NA combo, if it does make 300 and he sprays 150 that’s a fairly large percentage of change and things need to go right. Fuel delivery on the nitrous side has to be right and timing has to be right. There should not be a blanket statement made about this “shot” being safe and above that he needs this or that gizmo to make it safe. The tune up needs to be correct or even a small amount of n2o will destroy parts. Even more so because he’s up near 12:1 compression.
j par
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@TT5.9mag to call me ignorant without reading everything I wrote previous up to that last post is being ignorant... if you read through this thread I go on and on and on about all the different timing issues fuel delivery issues fuel pressure at and while delivering low pressure switches timing retard switches window switches activation switches... I said with all that and play 150 shot shouldn't be anything big deal but getting 200 and above needs more stuff...
j par
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Yes I have the 120 mph time slip and of course when I post it the gurus will come in and pick apart the 60 ft time. Of course they have automatic transmissions not four speeds like real men. of course they will tell you how if they did have a four speed they do better than me blah blah blah.... I do have a clutch timer I want to try out on that with my two-step....
Looking forward to trying my hundred shot at the track this summer.... Again low pressure switch window switch timing retard module standalone fuel with fuel pressure at running set. going to go off with a hundred shot 50 in each carburetor and see where that lands me... It is something to look forward to but overall it's kind of boring... ..
I'll be driving to the track with the AC blowing and hopefully not my motor blowing LOL...
SLOPAR72
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11.50's in that setup prior to a 100 hit with a clutch you will get a minimum of 5mph if you turn it on at the 1/8th. And with a little learning of how to get your setup to work with a 7 tenths ramp to 100% by 1.3 seconds will get you a 10 to the left of the decimal and probably 8mph. Gas likes 3 pedals!
j par
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That time slip was under pretty much a completely different setup. I had slicks and skinnies, I had a roll bar and a gutted interior, I had different heads, I had different carburetors, and I definitely had a different cam... Oh yeah and 410 gears instead of 354s... if anything the hundred shot might get me back to where I was lol... it doesn't really matter it's just to have fun with..
TT5.9mag
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I read the whole thread @jpar. Not just one of your posts. Lots of guys including you have basically said “just run it, it’ll be fine”. And that is simply not true. Things need to be set up and tested and tuned correctly for an engine to happy on laughing gas. You preach all the time about experience and keeping your mouth shut if you don’t have any.....hey pot, it’s kettle, you’re black.
j par
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If you reread Post number eight where I go in on timing timing timing if I can quote myself.. and I also explain all the safety measures I put in place for the mere hundred shot that I'm using... Or I should say going to use it's not like I never will... Then and post 24 I reiterate all of that and yet again and post 25 I recommend a call to Mike thermos of nitrous supply... which I'm sure he would go about saying all kinds of good factual information. now if you'd like me to go on to page 2 page 3 and this page as well and research what I said it was never just throw a bottle in the trunk and let it rip... Done right 150 shot or less shouldn't kill almost any motor and starting at 200 or more you probably want to take some special precautions internally....
And I'll stand by that....
TT5.9mag
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All the gadgets and gizmos in the world won’t save you if the tune up is wrong. You gave some good advice to talk to people knowledgeable in the field I’ll give you that. A 50 shot with a shitty tune will kill an engine. On the contrary a 300 shot with a perfect tune will not.
j par
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Let's give this a hugely realistic view...
We're not talking to an 18-year-old kid here likely at least one that can have or build the motor described in post one...
With the money spent on the car and the motor I'm going to assume he's going to do quite a bit of research before he just lets it rip. Probably have his car pretty well tuned up and maximized before he starts a nitrous tune??.. I know my car is well tuned according to the spark plugs the AF gauge and throttle response and all around performance...
As far as a nitrous tune I got quite a few recommendations from Mike thermos himself other people in the know and the recommendations that came from Edelbrock with the nitrous plates themselves... (Which is basically the ones that I went with)..
just like when the op built the motor I'm sure he did a bunch of research and figured out exactly what he wanted to do before he slapped the money down on the barrel head...
In the end I'm going to say anybody with two brain cells is going to think this through back and forth before they pull the trigger...
j par
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Also I recommend putting your shot on a controllable button.. instead of activated by just the wide open throttle switch or other means... Mine personally has to have all that stuff in play and I have to hit the button... With that said when the time comes I just plan on giving it a couple bumps on my button to see how the car reacts. Check my plugs and repeat until I can hold the button down with some confidence...
Jonnylightening
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I sure did do alot of research and watched alot of YouTube, hot rod, roadkill garage, and UTG before building my engine. I did learn alot from them, things I never really had done in the past. I wanted to make sure I wasn't pissing money away. The whole reason behind my thread now is to get opinions and ideas before I even think about cracking that bottle. I only ever messed with nitrous before in my old pulling truck. If you guys seen or heard how I ran it you'd cringe. I didn't gap rings on my hyper pistons, didn't go colder on my plugs, ran it off a push button, didn't use any safety modules....It was bad. I did however run VP110 and pulled timing out. All that on a plate system with 250 shot pills. I was young and dumb at that time. It did surprisingly hold together. Needless to say I was only WOT for 300' or less. Back then I was making minimum wage so at that time I still had a shitload of money(to me) in that engine. Looking back now and after doing research and asking on here, I was a dum dum. Lol. I definitely want to make sure I get my tune down off the gas first. I do thank each and everyone of you guys for the help. I really hate that my thread is starting a war, definitely wasn't intended for that. When I get closer to time I'm gunna call the guys mentioned above and get their opinions as well.
TT5.9mag
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No war. Just info. Sounds like you have you’re head screwed on correctly and are asking all the right questions. Nitrous is a lot of fun and can make a tame engine a lot more rowdy. Especially when done correctly.
j par
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I'm looking to go from rowdy to outrageous..
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Jonnylightening
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Local guy has a Victor 340. He's asking $175. Is it worth it? I know its gunna need cleaned up for sure. Opinions??
ChargedDart75
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They're pretty decent. I'd probably go for it at that price.
Jonnylightening
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Think I can get anything for my torker II?
j par
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If this is turning into a manifold thread then I will give the same advice that I gave when somebody started a what's the best intake manifold thread...
This is where you want to cry once... this is the one you want to save for and buy as new and nice as you can... With your ultimate goals in mind... Any manifold can be put on any engine... The correct manifold will perform the best given the kind of usage... It's a for the most part non-wearing part that can last forever...
This is where you want to cry once... this is the one you want to save for and buy as new and nice as you can... With your ultimate goals in mind... Any manifold can be put on any engine... The correct manifold will perform the best given the kind of usage... It's a for the most part non-wearing part that can last forever...
Jonnylightening
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Since I do have the Torker II and its RPM range is within my cam spec should I just save money and use that one?
yellow rose
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Victor>Torker. The send the Victor to Pittsburghracer and have him find on it for you.
Jonnylightening
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This is the cam I'm using. I had already purchased this one before I considered a 408. I had to wait 3 months to get it.
Lift: .565 / .565, Duration @ .050: 235 / 241, Centerline: 106, Rough idle, Street/strip, Great mid-range, 9.5:1+ compression, 2800+ stall & good intake.
j par
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I gave my opinion as a generalization of just buying the best you can with what you have. I don't have any working experience of the difference between the manifolds.. again there's a lot of people on here who have tried all the different manifolds and if you started a thread with that in mind specifically you might get more specific answers...
Me.... When I got the car and I wanted to go bananas I bought a dual quad tunnel around. I only cried once and funny enough it cost $100 more new now... I put it on my relatively mild 318 LOL... but I knew where I was headed so eventually it ended up on my 410 Stroker... I only cried once...
Back in 1985>'87 with my stock '71 340 + .590 sft cam, 850DP, H/Strip dominator int. 727/4200 stall, race hdrs I ran the Cheater N20 kit These were a very rich tune back then, .052n/.059f for 125hp, .073n/.082f for 175hp and .110/.110 for 250 which was really only around a 200 shot as orifice size was only .092.
I hit it off the line with a WOT switch every time and a main arming switch, timing was only pulled back 2 deg. to 34, I ran no special fuel, at that time we had 4 star fuel in UK which was around 97 ron, ran NGK -6 plugs, 1 step colder, ran every hp range pills to 250hp, never tipped a plug ever, went from 12.4na to 11.01 with 250 pills but could've gone quicker. Separate blue pump and line for N20 fuel@6psi, not necessarily needed. Today even with the F jet the same size as the N jet its a rich tune, a clean tune today is regarded as the F jet around 4>6 sizes smaller but it all depends on the motor tune/efficiency of heads etc., you don't need any special high octane fuel, its all in the retard as thats what kills motors not lean.
Jonnylightening
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See plans are in the future to get either the eddy magnum heads or go with the trick flows. Then if I don't have any catastrophic failure try and track down a R3 block and go bigger cam. Kind of why I went all out on my bottom end. Figured It would be a good base for future
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