W2 head porting observations help needed!

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Okay.
Interesting.
So at some point they decided the filled in flatter floor was better.

If they were untouched, you should have some meat to play with, but I wouldn’t try and duplicate the newer floor shape in the old heads.
I’d shoot for a slightly wider, slightly less rounded floor.
Guide boss could use trimming, size the bowl correctly.

What you’ve done is already a big gain...... so be smart about how to proceed..... and know when to say, “that’s enough”.
My very FIRST thought was the bowl was way undersized for the 2.05 valve...the bowl cut and improved flow seem to justify that, but then I'm trying to be conservative with the cutting, just how big should the bowl be? 88, 89, 90% of the valve? I dont know for sure, but seems I'm headed in the right direction
 
Looks like the bench reads pretty low.

But, as you say..... comparing before/after, you made some very nice gains.

Question...... you are using an air entry radius, right?
It’s a “must” for the numbers to have any real validity.

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I'm using clay on the port entrance, just a rolled radius
 
The sbm head, bought assembled and un ported 2 years ago black friday sale....
.100 63
.200 121
.300 174
.400 208
.500 224
.550 224

Compared to mine:

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Is it a bench that uses a shop vac?

You’re thinking you need a bigger one?
Or use two?
 
I’ve seen a few pics where there were two plumbed in.......made sense to me.
I think once the valve gets opened up, and the cfm demand goes up, it is just to small to pull the volume, that's why for now, I'm trying to just compare the percentage of improvement, not the actual cfm numbers. I will address the vaccum supply issue SOON
 
I am running at least three high output vacuum motors at 275cfm in a sealed flowbench. That’s at 28 inches of depression. I’m guessing you are measuring at 10 inches and possibly converting over to 28 inches. If so check your conversion figures.
 
Then I pulled out a bare, brand new later W2 casting, with the factory out of the box valve job, 2.02 valve, they flow 234@ 500, with no work whatsoever, immediately back to back. I know the actual flow numbers seem low across the board, that could be my bench, but as a comparison, 20 cfm increase seems a step in the right direction, but I feel it needs more. The short turn in the early head has a narrower, more oval shape, where as the later head it looks wider, and a bit flatter. Like to get some opinions from some of the head porters on here, help me go in the right direction @pittsburghracer @PRH @yellow rose @MOPAROFFICIAL ..... ANY advice is GREATLY appreciated!
I'm guessing you know this but double test everything and make double dang sure you have the chamber Edge lined up really good with the bore on the straight side of the intake. If you don't, it will fool you towards over working a port.lol

Get that bowl that 85 or 90% you could take a bigger but not up into the seat or valve job because you want to keep a venturi/throat under that. make all the 'bowls' the same, farside ...and then deal with the short turns. Snap gauge the better head and check agaisnt the lower flowing one. Make the adjustments necessary to make it fit and blend it

I know you know NOT to 'flat ramp it' off the valve job and back, so just lean the head back with light and get it uniform across the top as it rolls. You don't necessarily want to copy a aluminum Speedmaster head let's just say. You know what i mean.
 
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I have the head mounted to the plate with the fire ring of the head gasket dead centered in the plate opening
 
I have the head mounted to the plate with the fire ring of the head gasket dead centered in the plate opening
Once you figure if theres an issue with the calibration or not, try roughing up the bowls with 60 grit and widening the turn on the oval lookin pos lol I wish I was there to show you.
 
I made head adapters out of 1/2 inch Lexan and cylinder bores. Then I drilled and installed head bolt studs. I seal It with an old head gasket and vasoline. It’s all about repeatability.
 
I have a head adapter that I found as a cast away from Brzezinski, it has a rubber o ring flange, where the chamber seals, and is drilled for multiple head patterns, although I did have to drill it for the SBM pattern
 
I'm really curious about your flow bench. Specifically the instrumentation. Having something like that to play with on these long days of near zero temps would be a good thing. Interested to see how you progress.
 
I'm really curious about your flow bench. Specifically the instrumentation. Having something like that to play with on these long days of near zero temps would be a good thing. Interested to see how you progress.
It's a flow performance setup, basic but affordable
 
The biggest issue with the early castings is that huge guide in the way and all the bias. I have to go out and grab my heads and look them over.

I never leave the guide boss that big, and I never leave the back side of it square. You almost never see any gain on the bench cleaning it up, but the port gets much more quiet, and that means more to me than what the manometer says.

I have to go back and look at your pictures, but if you can get the top cut .100 wide, do it. It should be .060 minimum. Some guys call that “sinking” the valve, but I call it the valve job. The top cut is HUGE. On both valves.

The top cut should really be 35* rather than 30*. And blend that top cut off smooth to the chamber.

If you are going to use a 45* seat, you really need a 3rd angle under seat. You can do it with two, but they have to be pretty wide. Look for a cutter that is 10* between the angles. 15* is a huge bend, and air hates that. Never, ever radius the intake valve job. Ever. And I never use anything but a radius on the exhaust.

If you can get the throat to 90% and still get a decent valve job on there, you can do that.

If you have a sonic tester, check very close around that short turn. The short turn is pretty crappy on the early castings. Do what you can.

FWIW, the W2 can flow less than the SM or any other standard port head and still kick its *** on HP. The port shape matters much more than the flow. Shape, shape, shape.

Also remember that what looks good at 10 inches can look sucky at 28 inches and then look real good at 42 inches. Play with the pressure drop and take detailed notes. And again, I can’t emphasize this enough, LISTEN to the port. A noisy, snapping, popping port is a power KILLER, even if it flows more. Believe that. Whatever you do, pay attention to the sound of the ports, and while I’m thinking about it, do NOT a make the mistake of porting the exhaust by the flow numbers. You will surely kill horsepower so fast your head will spin. In act, rather than use the valve job to get the throat out to 92% or so where the exhaust should be, use a 1.550 valve, or cut down a 1.600 valve .025 or so at a time until you get the throat to 92%. Make that port as quiet as you can.

Don’t be afraid to use a piece of string in the port to get a visual of where the air is going and what it’s doing. You can see dead spots in the port. Get some modeling clay and fill in the dead spots. The port will start getting less noisy.

Don’t forget to spend some time in the chamber. Do NOT take the chamber out past the cylinder bore. In other words, don’t take the chamber out to gasket size. That is another one of those places where the flow bench will love you for making the chamber bigger, but it’s a power loser.

1 inch in either direction from the valve seat is the most critical areas. Like I said, that includes the chamber. Again, it’s about shape.

Almost forgot to mention how critical valve shape is. Almost always a mail head will look better on the flow bench, but it’s almost always a power loser. Put the valve in the guide and visualize the venturi you are creating. That shape is a big deal. Shape shape shape. A nail head valve almost always wrecks the venturi shape. You can use clay on the valve to change the shape of it to see what happens.

One other thing I do is take the valve and stick it in the head from the rocker side and flow the port. See what you get when the valve isn’t in the way, and how that changes the flow and the sound.

There really isn’t a wrong way to test. Test everything. If you get some dry ice and put it in a cup with a straw and you can add a little water and get some good smoke. Hold the straw all around the port and see what you see.

I tried that with cigarettes. Burned the crap out of my fingers. Even at low lift, a cigarette will last maybe, maybe 5 seconds. Then your fingers will get toasty. Then I tried small cigars, with the same result. It just bought me a bit more time before the burn.

String, pencils, some TIG rod...whatever you can find can be used in a port to help visualize what you are doing. Some of this stuff is just counterintuitive so you have to test. You can use a piece of string and if you do it just right, you’ll find some exhaust ports that flow air in BOTH directions!!!

Harold Bettes has a picture of that in his book on airflow. Read all that you can, and then test what you read. Test test test and shape shape shape.
 
THANK you guys for the help...it is super valuable. Also keep in mind, these belong to a buddy, I'm doing them for free for my own education, but if I ruin them, he will expect me to replace them, so I dont want to get to crazy cutting on them!
 
Also keep in mind, these belong to a buddy, I'm doing them for free for my own education

That seems like a situation where the risk/reward ratio is pretty unfavorable.
Personally, I’d set a pretty easily attainable goal, especially since at this point it doesn’t appear that you’ll be able to use your numbers to gauge where you really are .......compared to the potential of the head(you don’t know what a “300cfm” w2 flows on your bench).
You’ve picked them up 15% already.

Use some scrap J head or something for the learning tool, and save the W2’s until you have a better handle on how your numbers translate to the rest of the world.
 
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