How much lift with stock magnum roller lifters?

Well.....the thing is, at high RPM, they cannot bleed down fast enough, so they cause the valves to float and hang open. That's when bad things happen. Conversely, solid lifters don't have that problem. The lash takes up and room at high RPM that would otherwise cause valve float and prevents it.

You CAN use a traditional anti pump up lifter. Those have a faster bleed rate at high RPM and will not float the valves, however, they require an adjustable valve train with a setting from zero lash, to around .002" lash, like a tight lash solid.

So, since they require an adjustable valve train anyway, the best thing to do is just go straight to a solid and be did wif all dat, yo.

Hmm, ok, so it has to do with lash and the ability to bleed down fast enough to not cause a problem? That's starting to make sense, I hadn't thought of it that way. I suppose it's been staring me in the face since for hyd you set "preload" which is negative lash. Am I tracking that right? Having the hyd bleed down slow is bad since the "preload" needs to go away?

Thanks