separating front hub from drum?

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62 Dodge lancer. Is the drum somehow also swedged to the lugs like the hub?? or is it all just rusted together!! I do not need to replace the lugs, just separate the two and add a new drum.
 
The crimp on the lugs are what hold it together. And the rust. Once you remove that crimp there is no locating the drum to the hub. I did one years ago, big problems. I would try to find out how to redo the crimp if you can.
 
I read somewhere in my search that RRR said you use a 5/8 inch hole saw to cut away that part of the drum around the lug. The drum is so thin ??? there, it could just be pressed of easy. Nothing is never easy!!!! It will go back as drum brake NO disc conversion for me!
 
Press all the studs out. The drum will then come off. To reinstall press the studs in the hub then just slip the drum on. After your done you'll be able to remove the drum just like the rear. The register hole will keep the drum true to the hub if you use a fixture and press one stud at a time. Or use a deep well socket and press them into the socket. Never push on the drum.
 
I really have no desire to press out the old studs they are fine I just want to get the old drum OFF! I can't see how the drum as thin as it is the hub an not just be pressed of the drum with the studs there? I bet RRR is correct in a previus thread on this, he said take a 5/8 in hole saw and simply cut around the studs!!!!
 
The official tool. :rolleyes:

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Yup, that tool up there ^^^ Jim posted will work, but a 5/8 hole saw does just as good.
 
If you press out the studs without cutting off the swedge you will mess up the holes in the hubs and they will be trash

That's exactly right. The correct size studs will no longer work if you simply press them out. Also, if you intend on reusing the drum, you can forget that too, because it will tear the drum. Ask me how I know.
 
That's exactly right. The correct size studs will no longer work if you simply press them out. Also, if you intend on reusing the drum, you can forget that too, because it will tear the drum. Ask me how I know.
I know this is an old post but from what I reading the swedge is located on the outside of the drum around the lug studs? So if you use a hole saw your looking for one that will fit over the stud and just cut deep enough to cut through the swedge? Trying to wrap my brain around the procedure. Thank you.
 
I know this is an old post but from what I reading the swedge is located on the outside of the drum around the lug studs? So if you use a hole saw your looking for one that will fit over the stud and just cut deep enough to cut through the swedge? Trying to wrap my brain around the procedure. Thank you.

Sorta.The swedge is the actual wheel stud itself.The outside of the stud is pushed down around the drum, trapping the drum on the hub. What you're removing is essentially the swedge and a very small part of the drum around each stud.
 
Take the pilot drill out and use the saw over the stud and cut thru the drum only you may have to clean up around the studs with a cut off wheel to remove the remains once the drum is off.
 
Take the pilot drill out and use the saw over the stud and cut thru the drum only you may have to clean up around the studs with a cut off wheel to remove the remains once the drum is off.
Thanks, I'm having trouble finding a small enough hole saw, the studs are 7/16 I was looking for a 1/2" hole saw but the smallest I could find was 9/16. I guess I'll use that and cleanup like you mention. To be honest I can't really see the swedge on the drum I suppose it's there but difficult to see. All I know is the drums are locked on the hubs so it must be that and I certain they're factory drums. Thanks guys.
 
Thanks, I'm having trouble finding a small enough hole saw, the studs are 7/16 I was looking for a 1/2" hole saw but the smallest I could find was 9/16. I guess I'll use that and cleanup like you mention. To be honest I can't really see the swedge on the drum I suppose it's there but difficult to see. All I know is the drums are locked on the hubs so it must be that and I certain they're factory drums. Thanks guys.

The correct size hole saw is 5/8.
 
The brakes on the pass from of our Valiant had locked up at some point and was driven for quite a while it seems. The drum was welded to the hub. We cut it with a angle grinder and chiseled it off.
 
The correct size hole saw is 5/8.
I'm not doubting your experience, it sounds like you have done this before but 5/8's even for the 7/16 studs? Well I can find a 5/8's easier, so do you have to cleanup around the studs as BCSCHIEF mentioned with a grinder? Do you recommend a certain brand hole saw?

Thank you.
 
I'm not doubting your experience, it sounds like you have done this before but 5/8's even for the 7/16 studs? Well I can find a 5/8's easier, so do you have to cleanup around the studs as BCSCHIEF mentioned with a grinder? Do you recommend a certain brand hole saw?

Thank you.

I think if you look at the stud, you'll see the threaded area is narrower than the knurled part that presses into the hub flange.
 
I'm not doubting your experience, it sounds like you have done this before but 5/8's even for the 7/16 studs? Well I can find a 5/8's easier, so do you have to cleanup around the studs as BCSCHIEF mentioned with a grinder? Do you recommend a certain brand hole saw?

Thank you.

I've never had to clean up anything. I've always cut the holes through the drum and the drum will lift right off. Now......if you're wanting to remove the studs from the hub, you might clean up a little around whee the stud comes through the hub. If you knock the studs out with too much material left on them, you can damage the hub.
 
I've never had to clean up anything. I've always cut the holes through the drum and the drum will lift right off. Now......if you're wanting to remove the studs from the hub, you might clean up a little around whee the stud comes through the hub. If you knock the studs out with too much material left on them, you can damage the hub.
OK cool, no the studs are all good. Thanks.
 
I've never had to clean up anything. I've always cut the holes through the drum and the drum will lift right off. Now......if you're wanting to remove the studs from the hub, you might clean up a little around whee the stud comes through the hub. If you knock the studs out with too much material left on them, you can damage the hub.
Hey RustyRatRod, do you think a 3/4 hole saw is too big, I just found one I already own in a box of my Dad's old drill boxes. I don't care about the drums as I have new drums.

Thanks,

Jay
 
Hey RustyRatRod, do you think a 3/4 hole saw is too big, I just found one I already own in a box of my Dad's old drill boxes. I don't care about the drums as I have new drums.

Thanks,

Jay

That'll get the drum off, but you'll have a lot of material left on the hub.
 
I just cut two drums off my car. 5/8 saw but I had 1/2 in studs. It went faster then I thought it would. I had to clean up the bottom of the studs for the new drums to seat correctly.
 
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