I just don't see it!

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anything over 15 on a classic car looks like, well, not very good

however, sometimes it is as simple as function over form

certain brakes and suspension part simply dont fit with classy looking wheels
so, they sacrifice the looks of the wheel for the quality of the ride

i dont get it either, if you want an ugly looking good handling car, why not buy a miata?
 
I shall add my opinion... Any wheel that has the name FOOSE on it or is 20” or greater in diameter on any car, especially from muscle car era, not just on our Mopars... looks stupid...

I’m pretty sure most guys here are running no more than 18” wheel. I do like what 72blunblu did with the wheels on his Duster and I know those are around 17” or 18” wheels.

Any wheel can make or break the look of any car if it does not compliment a look or feel... it’s like building a house and making one wall of the bathroom full glass facing the neighbor’s living room window... LOL
 
anything over 15 on a classic car looks like, well, not very good

however, sometimes it is as simple as function over form

certain brakes and suspension part simply dont fit with classy looking wheels
so, they sacrifice the looks of the wheel for the quality of the ride

i dont get it either, if you want an ugly looking good handling car, why not buy a miata?
I pretty much agree with you, except I say 17 instead of 15. I have seen a lot of classic cars like ours that look fine with a nice looking 17" rim. Sometimes you need it for brake clearance. I don't like 20"+ rims on Classic cars.
 
Does anyone have any real world data for the tradeoff between wheel size and tire selection in terms of actual performance gain or loss?
 
And the next step up is 34's :rofl:

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The next gripe will be the trend of putting M/T tires on a street car and tuning it to after fire and break up on deceleration.

Bead poke, stretching, wide body, excessive negative camber, tuck and pull is soooooooooooo pre-covid.
 
Back in the 90's I bought a lot of project cars from a bud. His last statement always was "bring your own wheels"! He always kept his set. ha
Taste in wheel and tires is a lot like paint, everyone has their idea! 'Yes the mini lite were used on some TA race cars and but I thought they originally were on Brit road race cars.
 
Does anyone have any real world data for the tradeoff between wheel size and tire selection in terms of actual performance gain or loss?

I had customers that owned/worked in repair and tire shop say that when customers added big 22-24” rims the braking performance of the car would go down and the car would wear through brakes much faster.

These big rims are heavy and the revolving weight moved outward creates more centrifugal force.

The reduced tire diameter was one of the design concepts of this Can Am racer in 1970

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Say fellow enthusiasts, I can only think of one REAL WORLD example of how to see things on the other side of the street that might actually make sense.....and of all Humans, it was a Wall Art/Graffiti artist that summed it up for you all .......


It went like this ....

When you hear Birds out singing the first thing in the morning, you say, "that sounds beautiful".....

Even though you have NO IDEA of what the bird is saying and you cannot understand it, you STILL FEEL what the bird is chirping, is beautiful.....

And there's the truth.... although you cannot understand something, DOES NOT mean it is NOT beautiful....

Fact is, that bird might be saying, "f*ck you all 2 legged walking upright pale faced bastards-I hope you die" .....but yet and still, your wife will ask you to wake up with them AND coffee and you'll agree unknowingly.....

You don't have to understand something for IT to be beautiful....
 
Say fellow enthusiasts, I can only think of one REAL WORLD example of how to see things on the other side of the street that might actually make sense.....and of all Humans, it was a Wall Art/Graffiti artist that summed it up for you all .......


It went like this ....

When you hear Birds out singing the first thing in the morning, you say, "that sounds beautiful".....

Even though you have NO IDEA of what the bird is saying and you cannot understand it, you STILL FEEL what the bird is chirping, is beautiful.....

And there's the truth.... although you cannot understand something, DOES NOT mean it is NOT beautiful....

Fact is, that bird might be saying, "f*ck you all 2 legged walking upright pale faced bastards-I hope you die" .....but yet and still, your wife will ask you to wake up with them AND coffee and you'll agree unknowingly.....

You don't have to understand something for IT to be beautiful....


Puff puff pass?
 
I had customers that owned/worked in repair and tire shop say that when customers added big 22-24” rims the braking performance of the car would go down and the car would wear through brakes much faster.

These big rims are heavy and the revolving weight moved outward creates more centrifugal force.

The reduced tire diameter was one of the design concepts of this Can Am racer in 1970

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But that depends on the actual wheel. The Enkei RPF1's I run on my Duster in 18x9 and 18x10 with 275/35/18's and 295/35/18's were lighter than the 15x7" cop wheels with 225/60/15's that they replaced. And the total wheel/tire diameter remained similar. If you buy cheap large diameter wheels and tires you can add weight, but just because a larger rim diameter was used doesn't automatically mean the wheel got heavier.

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But that depends on the actual wheel. The Enkei RPF1's I run on my Duster in 18x9 and 18x10 with 275/35/18's and 295/35/18's were lighter than the 15x7" cop wheels with 225/60/15's that they replaced. And the total wheel/tire diameter remained similar. If you buy cheap large diameter wheels and tires you can add weight, but just because a larger rim diameter was used doesn't automatically mean the wheel got heavier.

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Yes. You gotta watch the weight. Not all rims are the same.

To your enkei’s credit, they were 2” and 3” wider. And tires were wider too. More fair would be 18x7’s with 225/45/18. Interpolating using your measurements, those would be around 39 lbs each! …11 lbs lighter than cop cars’.

But also where the weight is. If more of the weight is further from center, the moment the inertia is greater. And IF there’s high enough difference, it will effect braking and acceleration.

I’m talking the chrome donk 22” and 24” rim people put on SUV’s and Trucks.

This guy got 26 pound difference between factory 17” rims and tires versus 24” hellcat replica’s. That’s a 7” difference in diameter.

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Yes, thisssss......I am indeed beyond curious to see what the weight differences will be between my 18" Alzors and the 13" stocks.....but very much like Jenny Craig, it simply means you find other places to shave weight..... although the shavings are misplaced as they're NOT at the wheels, there has to be some shaving of weight made to TRY and make up for it.....

The moment I went with the Cordoba's 11.75 kit from Dr. Diff' WITH the larger wheels, I knew I was in for some diets....plural diets, definitely NOT singular......


But aha, this is where figuring Weights and Balances on most Airbus Aircraft during specs and my use of Advanced Composites will definitely come into play here.....

Hardee har har...

Shaving weight from the body as a whole while keeping it on the 4 Corners with a slight shift of CG can work wonders on an otherwise stock car...but then there's the stress on the components holding that weight.....ughhhh....
 
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Yes; you gotta watch the weight. Not all rims are the same.

But also where the weight is. If more of the weight is further from center, the moment the inertia is greater. And IF there’s high enough difference, it will effect braking and acceleration.

I’m talking the chrome donk 22” and 24” rim people put on SUV’s and Trucks.

This guy got 26 pound difference between factory 17” rims and tires versus 24” hellcat replica’s. That’s a 7” difference in diameter.

Fast forward to 4:00 minute



Right, those are cheap *** replica wheels, and they weigh a ton. Cheap wheels are heavy, and giant chrome rims are purchased for looks not performance.

But I never hear this argument come up when guys talk about putting 275/60/15's on their cars compared to the bitty little bias ply's that these cars came from the factory with on 14" rims. Or even upgrading to 15's and running larger tires like 225/60/15's, those are heavier than what these cars left the factory with. And 275/60/15's are VERY heavy and significantly taller, if you want to talk about moment of inertia. Still no one seems to mind doing that.

It's just something the big wheel haters drag out every time someone puts something bigger than a 15" rim on an old Mopar because it offends their delicate sensibilities.
 
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Yes, thisssss......I am indeed beyond curious to see what the weight differences will be between my 18" Alzors and the 13" stocks.....but very much like Jenny Craig, it simply means you find other places to shave weight..... although the shavings are misplaced as they're NOT at the wheels, there has to be some shaving of weight made to TRY and make up for it.....

The moment I went with the Cordoba's 11.75 kit from Dr. Diff' WITH the larger wheels, I knew I was in for some diets....plural diets, definitely NOT singular......


But aha, this is where figuring Weights and Balances on most Airbus Aircraft during specs and my use of Advanced Composites will definitely come into play here.....

Hardee har har...

Shaving weight from the body as a whole while keeping it on the 4 Corners with a slight shift of CG can work wonders on an otherwise stock car...but then there's the stress on the components holding that weight.....ughhhh....

don’t know what a 13 x 4.5 steel mopar rim weighs?

dana67dart measured a factory SBP 14x4.5 steel rim at: 14x4.5 are 15.5lbs

keep in mind the 13” rims are only 4.5” wide.

Alzors:

Wheel weight update....

Style 716 18x8, Et35 - 25.4 lbs

Style 716 18x9, Et40 - 23.85 lbs

Style 703 18x8, Et35 - 24.3 lbs

Style 703 18x9, Et35 - 25.4 lbs

Style 706 18x8, Et35 - 25.1 lbs

Style 702 18x8, Et35 - 27.5 lbs

Style 718 18x8.5, Et40 - 27.25 lbs

Style 718 18x8.5, Et20 - 28.95 lbs

Style 722 18x8.5, Et35 - 24.4 lbs
 
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I care less what people run on their cars, if someone wants to look like a Dork, more power to them. I run what I what and so does everyone else. Must be why I currently am playi g with a more door Poly!??? Among other Mopars. lol
 
I care less what people run on their cars, if someone wants to look like a Dork, more power to them. I run what I what and so does everyone else. Must be why I currently am playi g with a more door Poly!??? Among other Mopars. lol
Agreed.
One man's meat is another man's poison..........
 
well...i'm an old guy and i lived through the era so when i see the new stuff i cringe.I think these cars were special just the way they were. Now i think it's very necessary to improve the brakes, ride and handling, that just common sense.( a big block at 600 hp in an A body is not an improvement)
But for the hobby to survive the new blood will have to spend ...and they see it differently!
 
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